From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gnus & Mail-Followup-To Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2015 19:07:47 +0200 Message-ID: <871thqccd8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87oakxkvqw.fsf@petton.fr> <83zj4grgkc.fsf@gnu.org> <87sia8n8b5.fsf@petton.fr> <87zj4gu821.fsf@gnu.org> <83sia8rdkm.fsf@gnu.org> <83pp5crbfd.fsf@gnu.org> <83mw0gr4eh.fsf@gnu.org> <83d21cqj9y.fsf@gnu.org> <87vbf4dldj.fsf@gnu.org> <87oakvucy8.fsf_-_@members.fsf.org> <87twunetet.fsf@gnu.org> <87wpzjskn0.fsf@members.fsf.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1433526220 24242 80.91.229.3 (5 Jun 2015 17:43:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 17:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nicolas Richard Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 05 19:43:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z0veN-0007Uy-JN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2015 19:43:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48932 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z0veN-0001ap-0d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2015 13:43:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55696) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z0veJ-0001ak-Dr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2015 13:43:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z0veE-0004sW-Ph for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2015 13:43:19 -0400 Original-Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:42904) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z0veE-0004sA-Md for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2015 13:43:14 -0400 Original-Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F6721D56 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2015 13:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 05 Jun 2015 13:07:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=bJYpStey+xT4tof WiL8xaFEF54g=; b=bo2mQMLRfi9c3TuNh3Vz709bW4BQWPbXW8vlRzME6/YfpRQ UiNOMmV8jJpIGfOjhihyLLWx9MC2FZSh2PmHnDt1h0mB+lD8zeDAl9vaBrbcEV8R uPeKlb2+0qLpE0bB+PkI+Vaan8wAOX/BuTXCLWL7IGgwwPnwwJXK841amyPQ= X-Sasl-enc: cRrmtRWtwTrws5BfRwNJaHDuCs9WQXMRXEVL+r80bCgq 1433524070 Original-Received: from thinkpad-t440p (unknown [2.161.152.223]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F29B8C0001F; Fri, 5 Jun 2015 13:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Mail-Followup-To: Nicolas Richard , emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87wpzjskn0.fsf@members.fsf.org> (Nicolas Richard's message of "Thu, 04 Jun 2015 14:50:11 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187047 Archived-At: Nicolas Richard writes: >>> I saw that you have set : >>> Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier >>> , nandryshak@gmail.com, nicolas@petton.fr, >>> emacs-devel@gnu.org >>> >>> FWIW, it made Gnus set Eli as recipient of my answer. Is it the intended >>> behaviour ? >> >> I don't know, ask the Gnus guys. > > Sorry, I was unclear. My question to you was: is it what you intended > when you set the Mail-Followup-To header to the above value ? In > particular, you were not among the recipients anymore. Did you want to > avoid receiving a reply directly? Yes, if possible. And I have the configurations suggested by the Gnus manual. ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ] | =E2=80=98subscribed=E2=80=99 | If this parameter is set to =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99, Gnus will consider = the to-address | and to-list parameters for this group as addresses of mailing lists | you are subscribed to. Giving Gnus this information is (only) a | first step in getting it to generate correct Mail-Followup-To | headers for your posts to these lists. The second step is to put | the following in your =E2=80=98.gnus.el=E2=80=99 |=20 | (setq message-subscribed-address-functions | '(gnus-find-subscribed-addresses)) |=20 | *Note Mailing Lists: (message)Mailing Lists, for a complete | treatment of available MFT support. `---- So because Gnus knows I'm subscribed to emacs-devel, it didn't add myself to the Mail-Followup-To header. >> I just use `F` to follow up on a message and trust in that Gnus does >> the right thing. > > I usually do that too, and then this one time I decided to look at > what actually happens. I shouldn't do that obviously :) Yeah, it's a sign you're losing faith! > There are a couple other things I should do (e.g. investigate why I > don't see some of my messages on gmane or why they show up slowly, I'd guess that's a Gmane issue. > why some threads are broken,=20 Possibly a broken References header unless you gather threads by subject (the variable `gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function' controls that). And then you'll sometimes have multiple threads combined into one because of equal subjects... > etc.). Usenetting/mailinglisting is hard :'( Yes, totally. And it got worse when people started using the broken mail clients available for tablets/smartphones. In the good old days, it has been simpler. Gnus was correct, then there were clients which were mostly correct, and then there was Outlook you could accurse for always being wrong. ;-) Bye, Tassilo