From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How can I change the default loading buffer? Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 03:58:27 +0200 Message-ID: <871tfq1k58.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> References: <87oaiushyf.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <87wpxixyw9.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1438222525 30754 80.91.229.3 (30 Jul 2015 02:15:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 02:15:25 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 30 04:15:24 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKdNU-0007Jj-C7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:15:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37597 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKdNT-0006x2-EH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:15:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51431) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKdNI-0006wq-HL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:15:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKdNE-0000VS-8P for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:15:12 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKdNE-0000SL-2Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:15:08 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKd8f-0000bV-Q6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:00:05 +0200 Original-Received: from nl106-137-228.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.228]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:00:05 +0200 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-228.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:00:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-228.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:RFuL1Vtoa2KSqDt9YsFqazMU9Ws= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:106138 Archived-At: Robert Thorpe writes: > Batch mode is one aspect of it. > > Another is packages. Package-initialize runs after > the init file is loaded. Suppose a package is used > that affects the operations of M-x shell (e.g. > bash-completion.el). That package may need > initializing prior to shell-mode starting to > function correctly. > > If you run in a terminal then there can be terminal > specific elisp libraries. That library is selected > and loaded after the init file. So, if M-x shell > depends on it being already loaded there will be > problems. I don't know that it does, but it > legitimately could. The colour set could be > different in the shell started at init to elsewhere. OK, so what is the method to find out (or rule of thumb) what you shouldn't put directly into .emacs but instead into `emacs-startup-hook'? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573