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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org>
Cc: taylanbayirli@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Contributors and maintainers
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:45:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871tcoehk2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151021.102719.485566340.wl@gnu.org> (Werner LEMBERG's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:27:19 +0200 (CEST)")

Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes:

>>> No submitter can brow-beat us into accepting a patch because they
>>> think it is "clear" or "right" or "obvious".  This isn't how
>>> collaboration works in the free software world.  We decide who has
>>> commit rights, and we reserve the right to reject and revert
>>> commits.
>> 
>> I provided clarification several times.  It was ignored.
>
> Certainly not.  You got *a lot* of replies.
>
>> Let me list some different mails in which I repeated more or less
>> the same explanation with different wording:
>
> This is exactly the `agree to disagree' situation I've mentioned in a
> previous e-mail.

Well, these days generally "discussion" is understood as everybody
repeating his opinion until most drop out, maybe a trickling down from
the culture of political debate, with a focus on scoring points rather
than extending one's views.

This mode of discussion tends to work rather bad in a closed round of
experts.  Repeating your point on the assumption that your opponent was
just too dumb to get it the first time gets old rather fast.  Instead of
making the same point over and over again and riling everybody including
yourself up in the process, you better try bringing up new facts or
considerations.  Everything else is only likely to affect the emotional
but not the factual result of the discussion.

While "everybody's glad that this is over and one will not meet ever
again" may be a somewhat emotionally conclusive resolution in substitute
for a convergence to factual agreement, it's not much of a basis for
ongoing work.

-- 
David Kastrup



  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-21  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-17 16:33 [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 16:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 17:14   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 17:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 18:23       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 19:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 20:28           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 20:44             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-17 21:25               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 21:32                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-17 22:00                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18  7:55                     ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-18 10:07                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 10:55                         ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-18 12:59                           ` Random832
2015-10-18 13:36                             ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 15:06                             ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-18 17:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 19:17                               ` Random832
2015-10-18 19:52                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19  4:32                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-19  5:15                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19  5:19                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-19  5:56                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19  8:16                                     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-31 17:03                             ` Kai Großjohann
2015-10-31 16:50                           ` Kai Großjohann
2015-10-31 19:03                             ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-17 22:09                 ` Random832
2015-10-17 22:45                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 20:47             ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-17 21:20               ` Random832
2015-10-17 21:35                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-17 21:27               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 21:53                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-17 22:22                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18  2:40                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-18 10:03                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 15:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 16:40                         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 17:48                         ` John Wiegley
2015-10-18  2:47                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 13:35                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 19:14   ` Random832
2015-10-17 19:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 20:43       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 21:01       ` Random832
2015-10-17 17:23 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-17 18:11   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 18:42     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-19 12:35 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 12:59   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-19 13:09     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 13:48       ` Random832
2015-10-19 13:53         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 15:10           ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-19 17:06             ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20  1:41               ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20  7:41                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 10:16                   ` Nicolas Richard
2015-10-20 15:47                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 16:41                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 16:59                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 17:32                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:41                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 17:58                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 18:11                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 18:19                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 23:34                                     ` Contributors and maintainers (Was: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote.) John Wiegley
2015-10-21  7:29                                       ` Contributors and maintainers Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21  8:27                                         ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-21  8:45                                           ` David Kastrup [this message]
2015-10-21 12:03                                             ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 14:22                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:40                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 16:05                                                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 18:16                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-21 18:37                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 14:34                                               ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-21 16:53                                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 17:24                                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 18:49                                               ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 14:07                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:36                                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 15:44                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 16:23                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 17:22                                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 17:41                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:58                                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 21:21                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 23:12                                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 14:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:45                                           ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-21 17:05                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 17:46                                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 18:12                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 18:19                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:18                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-21 18:54                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-10-22  5:40                                       ` Maintainers and contributors (was: Contributors and maintainers) John Wiegley
2015-10-22  7:20                                         ` Maintainers and contributors David Kastrup
2015-10-22 10:34                                         ` Maintainers and contributors (was: Contributors and maintainers) Artur Malabarba
2015-10-22 11:08                                           ` Maintainers and contributors David Kastrup
2015-10-22 11:55                                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-22 12:04                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-22 12:32                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 15:10                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 18:27                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-10-22 19:08                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-22 23:37                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-10-23  0:37                                                           ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-22 18:58                                                     ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-21  3:25                                     ` [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote Random832
2015-10-21  4:30                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 14:05                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:18                                         ` Random832
2015-10-21 14:40                                           ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-21 16:19                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 16:37                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 17:18                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 17:06                                             ` Random832
2015-10-21 17:32                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:11                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-21 18:24                                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-26 12:58                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2015-10-21 18:24                                                   ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-21 18:44                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:57                                                       ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-21 19:10                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:30                                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-10-22 10:54                                                           ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-22 11:21                                                             ` Jeff Clough
2015-10-22 12:47                                                               ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 15:11                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 15:23                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 15:51                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2015-10-22 13:09                                                               ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-22 15:03                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 15:12                                                               ` David Kastrup
2015-11-06 23:35                                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2015-11-07  7:51                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 15:41                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-22 15:52                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 17:25                                                               ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-21 18:11                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 18:49                                                 ` Random832
2015-10-21 19:03                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:10                                                     ` Random832
2015-10-21 19:21                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:50                                                         ` Random832
2015-10-22  2:38                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22  7:03                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 13:41                                                               ` Random832
2015-10-22 13:53                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 14:41                                                                   ` Random832
2015-10-22 14:50                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 16:18                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-22 15:20                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 18:39                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2015-11-01 20:39                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 22:34                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-20 19:00                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 19:48                                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-20 20:47                                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 21:08                                         ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-21 14:09                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:22                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-10-20 16:21                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 17:11                     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:22                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 17:36                         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 18:12                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 18:21                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 18:55                             ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-22  3:35                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-19 13:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 13:36     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 13:56       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 13:41     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-19 13:43       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 13:55         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-19 14:09           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 15:13             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-19 17:08               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 17:11                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-19 17:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20  4:35                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-20  7:26                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20  7:55                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20  8:17                       ` John Wiegley
2015-10-20  8:38                         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 12:48                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 11:45                         ` Becoming an Emacs contributor (was: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote.) Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-20 12:56                           ` Becoming an Emacs contributor Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 16:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 17:32                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 17:53                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:53                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20 18:44                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 19:12                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-24 17:26                                   ` Nix
2015-10-20 16:47                           ` Becoming an Emacs contributor (was: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote.) Kaushal Modi
2015-10-20  8:34                       ` [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20  8:49                         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20  8:54                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 15:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 16:31                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 16:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 17:28                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 18:02                                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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