From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ChangeLog to *VC-log* Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:59:14 +0100 Message-ID: <871t7isd3x.fsf@gmx.net> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <20160306220502.GA23154@thyrsus.com> <8760wx442f.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87si00srmo.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <40522b1b-fc32-1a6c-9e69-e1df628d85a0@yandex.ru> <87oaaosh51.fsf@gmx.net> <1c5d8058-d7ed-1e2f-f83d-a3241ec7040c@yandex.ru> <878u1rih47.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn6no20q.fsf@gnu.org> <8760wvz26r.fsf@gmx.net> <83twken8zz.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457614782 2635 80.91.229.3 (10 Mar 2016 12:59:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 10 13:59:31 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ae0Be-0004IU-6l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:59:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48055 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae0Bd-00027G-N6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:59:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45159) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae0BZ-00026O-Jl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:59:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae0BY-000814-Op for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:59:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:53113) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae0BU-00080T-PD; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:59:20 -0500 Original-Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.95.41]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MJSuF-1agStS03nX-00338e; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:59:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83twken8zz.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:26:56 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:suGmyJg9F7aAHxV6ujAVtupDSjkyT8FG7GB0TSth+y6r/pjyxmA E3w1kMA2YESBqJdaby5oguygSUFTINCZ6E9EB7R1myvvXS5+yNLriKAOyHP3ZmDjW45Vl/o 2qeLn1vWoKDkeAVD6X81Gll+uJ6nDwZRML0lQJTtdDl94fRAWoaZM326S8J9I7ZYvtAWceW B3NqphLqkVBQh+shPfZ1g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:wE4K5FBwstc=:8gpDhUkA998TAWA1iBY1KP RhvQqqTYci9wvEjvXn7C3K+7uhg1yfJKF3GwJzG6A5vXlX7d7a8VrnnK2QahTRPmZyn01RoNv dq0BbujobKNS2uEkI1Y/cvyS3BSSGku8Zl8Fcp60CpXQTc6tYJS7vpbQuo3mg47K181qmM5Xw 2lM4jkJLU82kEBf3GyJYcvAb8TzzMCNLaaqC1BxomPpLt47cQ7Uqmx8Qh8a/+qJQBedbj2iHF nTrractHL9qYDPWXV8gsCcT/8xHjNek01kRrMcOZ2YpObyiYaeqZ4luJDig+USrOUd3GZiihd Estl9QZ9N235AOGWVFDOxC0bbQQQNgC57D64PaN3vX62z5iSnbqt4MlQHXs0KUr2HtUhGQyMp VeRkHVzK2fctQUhUc8BfLdn4OrXSYAj5TdZeP+TVWjx6Hd+RSxHRLSTSNn0z6HNE0mUcq4zsq Uy4n/ZN08rUtcAoXH1vO69Pl295/wuVFAN9xve8fAuQprWGNhNU1ftIz8OtLZTgXW1rAku5gX yup4T+qAZyjsMRLDEeqPdZ22Eyx1Sin3/cg8qQRhUKNirLlxo5e1VRTXN3d/tOu92dQ58OWv/ ELpoTQTqmqcbqvrCHOdRtQtZxFCwKQtP7zkkCD7DI++dYJT244yQySlAkDHgAsQjNpBBy5ZfP yiinUR0ATJCUMjg1MLXDtQgWhzxZtDisrbe5qaPiTmW6RwPXND8qE7h/wvjjY7H7Khe3fk+/V 6324GQuqmo+Wv3QGg2adHKpbI+jqwCeEXXlnz0zZSW1NwIQF39lvPPnCEQ/WPGUiNok9mJ2M X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.21 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201373 Archived-At: On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:26:56 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stephen Berman >> Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:01:00 +0100 >> >> > No, _you_ should create a file at top level, and then everything will >> > continue working. That's why the top-level file is called >> > ChangeLog.2: to keep it out of your way. >> >> But if Emacs can do that for me (and in so doing automatically comply >> with its commit message format specification), don't you agree that's >> more user-friendly? Do you see a down side to having that automatism? > > We are trying to bend features so that they do what we think we want > when we work on Emacs. But Emacs is not only for working on Emacs, > and creating a top-level ChangeLog file is not necessarily TRT for all > those other projects. That's why I wrote this in the post you replied to: "Since other projects that could use `C-x 4 a' may have different requirements on its effect, this should be conditioned by a user option (or maybe just a plain variable), which can (and probably should) be set in .dir-locals.el." But anyway, Glenn Morris said he already implemented something like this on master, which I have not yet tested or even seen, so I don't know how flexible it is. Steve Berman