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[96.30.140.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id cj10sm1494841igc.2.2016.03.11.11.06.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:06:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83k2l8j1uc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:39:39 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114775 Archived-At: At 20:39 +0200 on Friday 2016-03-11, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) >> Cc: 22984@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:30:29 -0400 >> >> This will suggest the default binary to debug; if you are going to >> start a new Emacs process, change it as needed to point to the >> correct binary. >> >> I think the full meaning of this sentence only becomes clear after one >> reads the following sentence: >> >> Alternatively, if you want to attach the debugger to an already >> running Emacs process... >> >> The problems with the first sentence are "you", "new", and "it". Perhaps >> it could be made slightly clearer? >> >> Perhaps something along the lines of: >> >> This will suggest the default binary for GDB to start; if you want >> GDB to start a different binary, change the suggestion as needed. >> Alternatively, if you want to attach GDB to an already running Emacs >> process... > > No, this is a false dichotomy. The real issue here is that, when you > invoke GDB like that, the default binary it suggests is not emacs, > it's something else. Try it, and you will see. Yes, when I accepted the default, (something like `prog 3' IIRC), GDB then complained that it didn't exist. Anyway, if this is not what the paragraph is trying to say, then I don't know what is intending to say, which still suggests that it could benefit from some clarification. In particular: - the noun that "it" seems to stand for is the "suggestion" but that noun never appears, so grammatically "it" must be referring to something else -- but what?; - the "you are going to start" seems wrong; won't it be GDB that will start the process?; - the "new process" in the second case suggests that there is not a new process being started in the first (default) case. I hope I'm not being too nitpicky (nor too obtuse) here. Just seems to me there is a bit of opportunity here for an improvement. Regards, N.