From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23006: 25.0.92; Loading Tramp breaks pcomplete in eshell-mode Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:08:25 +0100 Message-ID: <871t752nme.fsf@gmx.de> References: <871t7d4ion.fsf@gmx.de> <87oaagi128.fsf@gmx.de> <877fh0hovs.fsf@gmx.de> <756f60a7-bdf9-a806-b9d6-dbf17f0ebaab@yandex.ru> <87y49gg9sm.fsf@gmx.de> <845ef936-dec1-eac9-db2a-f2bb25f3a830@yandex.ru> <87egb8faxv.fsf@gmx.de> <8760wj3eks.fsf@gmx.de> <8760wj4jvp.fsf@gmx.de> <871t7650th.fsf@gmx.de> <87io0i32sq.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458486563 12436 80.91.229.3 (20 Mar 2016 15:09:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23006@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 16:09:11 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aheyc-0001X4-Bu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:09:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23006) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 15:08:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55652 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahey6-000488-Aw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:08:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:54458) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahey4-00047v-Un for 23006@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:08:37 -0400 Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([93.209.71.96]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lp3x6-1aBbPL2M1E-00erXf; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:08:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 19 Mar 2016 16:04:07 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:CKj3R7SCRHoEirFVZz2a4f9hvJEt7gz0lwTDUH0x0J2HBWPgN2g bQXVaCqsetiHSM+MbI0ZIDW6wLeRt3ZJz4/32/9UpDp7/5LCRT3AnGsrzdZXdr2omYLBafL cg3G3sk67j9vkfIyOB4sh/hYxyIhyZQY4R+jwLyvaF/rQPiL6bQWMK8o6ftS9Q0s3uxFECp NrU+UyDD81ZGD1FLZXViQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ps6stoTr6rE=:FST6D/KM/MePb771v6DdBt IQ7CZfCWHbET/pGbhNlx0hLMXTV5cS3oiU5KO040MZ+8JVX3PqfrCnk00Wje8yJ/xYt6gJ0Y/ +FIDSsFfALkBcK7pkLVCuRXtxHKY2iO1obwtF21Ot2eAeOvB8OBrJ5YtgzRct0vN5tqCkLaMk CSPbUPlnllALt9UeSKJz56TA9Xbv8MOs4lladBc5QWVu/cvhl/HiVWlhZC1wvZHZSKjMR3jcj tDK6hRsrRahYYR3gkKOPO0TWED/0mC3x7spp973OoYz9IFp6rBkM8Pkv9q6e7a0/G2wza3nFN ntsEPeFSM9h5eP0wnmfFwBrUzMU/HKIpQgMAnb+F8upLno4AcZaxgbrqi7LddDMhT/yWfka0h UGhjAMvWDYE1ORKf+73ck80598ErURrd0JUPQDKqsqFHxnjtOnYz/rN372PR4F7aOdqN/RNfk 1NmjKrfBt8KTsbPVVsUC1WWqVpEzUqK4+pQAsXoy2kwLTYtuP8HoDM7LQBF7d0YPl2dobdneH J0BN8Ia2srXmXHNtp4QLGwMH399VHrw6YMy7ovV0hgJtm/m/907F98ETE6fTORcOEV6Th0EGs paF6BxcoZ9zszNnkBK75Q2IaIabY//qj4ac2OI7PizK5dGeLB2devUiWHwDwyrhY3i7pCidik k6H2WLldea7wjo/tRj/L2eqWTw/PD1JzLJE/DZRHGd7WN+UiUCBhxomzd+fK97qZ5U21x8GKq 0mWh/QNxdFfEiWdHiVhxHazmtL81ejmUsZ68+gzVe2gCCJHHMkq3nm9HLcF9nxnN4G9ES1Mj X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115137 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Hi Michael, Hi Stefan, > It seems we have a very fundamental misunderstanding about what > "essential" means in this context. Yes. It is not the first time we discuss this, see for example or . > Can you explain *your* understanding of `non-essential', then? > What does this var mean, for you? For Tramp, it is an indication that file name completion is in progress. > And how do you relate that to its documented meaning in its docstring? "... it can be used to prevent Tramp from prompting the user for a password when we are simply scanning a set of files in the background or displaying possible completions before the user even asked for it." If the user has typed "/ssh:host:tmp/ema", and she requests for completion by typing TAB, the existence of the slash in the local file name part is an indication that "the user even asked for it" (completion on "host"). Without the slash in the local file name, Tramp does not perform completion on "host" when there is no connection yet. In a previous message I was wrong about this, saying that completion happens already when there are two colons. > Stefan Best regards, Michael.