From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:41:32 +0200 Message-ID: <871t36bwpf.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <5775A512.4020803@gmail.com> <8337ntvm2d.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9c9lqll.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87eg78aqtx.fsf@mbork.pl> <83d1mroonu.fsf@gnu.org> <87bn2bc14k.fsf@mbork.pl> <837fcyonab.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467820334 27972 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2016 15:52:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 17:52:07 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKp7N-0000Zq-F9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:52:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34396 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKp7M-0005RR-EO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:52:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37633) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKoxV-0001v0-NW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:41:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKoxT-0005yw-H7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:41:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:43594) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKoxN-0005x2-AX; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:41:45 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7D01AFF0; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 17:41:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PJOH7ZnnKaUp; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 17:41:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (apn-77-112-87-171.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl [77.112.87.171]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 024BF1AFEE; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 17:41:27 +0200 (CEST) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.50.3 In-reply-to: <837fcyonab.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205268 Archived-At: On 2016-07-06, at 16:26, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Marcin Borkowski >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 21:53:47 +0200 >> >> >> Org spreadsheet can use values in headline's properties. That _might_ >> >> be tricky to do if it were a separate mode. >> > >> > Which, of course, flies in the face of your assertion that no previous >> > knowledge of Org is needed before its features can be used. >> >> How? "Can" does not mean "must". > > But once you do, you have to use Org-specific commands and features to > make that happen, instead of using standard Emacs features, like text > properties etc. What's more, the file records these properties in > Org-specific manner. I do not understand this. How could I use "standard Emacs features" in order to use (Org-specific) headline properties in (Org-specific) spreadsheet??? I don't see how I could use text properties for that - AFAIK, they are something completely different. >> Yet, I use other features of Org on a daily basis. > > Surely, much more than just C-f, C-b, and TAB? Yes, I use quite a bunch of Org features, for instance clocking, exporting, custom TODO keywords, agenda, links, capturing... I've also written some Elisp to interact with Org and enhance it for my use-cases. And still there are a lot of features of Org I know next to nothing about, both from the user's and from the programmer's POV. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University