From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:41:15 +0100 Message-ID: <871szhse6c.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <20160916203414.25203.87032@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <87wpht4b1i.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86y4292m2u.fsf@realize.ch> <8737kd8vfh.fsf@russet.org.uk> <867f9n2r6s.fsf@realize.ch> <87a8egw2az.fsf@russet.org.uk> <8360p3i2gt.fsf@gnu.org> <86a8efqf9p.fsf@realize.ch> <8337k7hysd.fsf@gnu.org> <8660p3qd99.fsf@realize.ch> <831szrhwsr.fsf@gnu.org> <8760p12qzw.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83vax0en1u.fsf@gnu.org> <87pon5ek3q.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87twcgttjf.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86a8e7symk.fsf@realize.ch> <837f9b8lmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87twcfjq1i.fsf@russet.org.uk> <831szj8dbc.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476553351 31669 195.159.176.226 (15 Oct 2016 17:42:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 17:42:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, a.s@realize.ch, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 15 19:42:26 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bvSy8-0004EN-0Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2016 19:42:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52803 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bvSy6-0002f7-Gn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2016 13:41:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53095) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bvSxZ-0002dS-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2016 13:41:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bvSxX-0006X2-40 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2016 13:41:24 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:46999) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bvSxS-0006Tw-0C; Sat, 15 Oct 2016 13:41:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=+/QmTLbG06Ef0XXkE6Vu4fNkG93voqEqXlxqj+wzAoM=; b=FzIIFMCGUfmAJMtVBO/gl+vNmP bKOiPB/NaMS8q/pPpaY4AFE6NY0LYVxASYC44R7gAKBPDoWKF9/cBIhJzkVazdUug7dBzV5qyfHPs YUMHUwPn+nwmp0ErpjeH3ed0PbqfnVuCJTYkcuu6AccJe0uxSQbp8Fm6A5r/2eV4RCE6TfnxK+HU2 QPiEcXEfmfy2tAYXjkMCChNoDW3jnDSD88wE+hwxslsqlQEXdz3ll7DUZ+B/kKy9jdSbQbUOlUj9I Xw7+sesXW+reAvCAKCxbklS6KIdRJOd/VMpRCTeqSHSMbrgqA1G5atAp0lPslklgqqPbAMawpD1HI 7W1TiWmw==; Original-Received: from cpc14-benw10-2-0-cust305.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([92.234.125.50]:50310 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bvSxP-001KKw-Ra; Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:41:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: <831szj8dbc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:55:35 +0300") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208303 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) >> Cc: John Wiegley , a.s@realize.ch, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:25:13 +0100 >> >> >> I think we should *not* give up the standard file structure. At least not now. >> >> Using ELPA should feel "first class" for those authors contributing packages >> >> that are to become part of the standard distribution. >> > >> > 100% agreement. >> >> Can you tell me why, though? Drew complained about grepability. What are >> the other reasons? > > The structure of the Emacs lisp/ directory is well-thought and exists > for many years with only minor changes. It has some underlying logic, > which allows one in most cases to know where a certain package lives. > This is important not just for grepping, but also for visiting the > files and any operation that requires its full file name. Having some > files outside of this structure will make working with those files > more annoying. The lisp directory structure is, to my mind, pretty confused. We have "emacs-lisp", but one of emacs-lisp's more distinctive features, custom, is not in it. Likewise, tree-widget. We have "emacs-lisp", "progmodes" and so on which are defined after function, and "obsolete" which is defined after status. We have "text-modes" and "org". We have "mail" and "gnus" (although some of gnus is in net). Likewise mh. Likewise international, language and leim. Still, I agree that changing things is always a pain. Phil