From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#26105: Group parameters can't set non-list values Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:29:23 +0200 Message-ID: <871sfknrzg.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> References: <87zigmygk5.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523561289 26984 195.159.176.226 (12 Apr 2018 19:28:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:28:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 26105@debbugs.gnu.org To: Tim Landscheidt Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 12 21:28:05 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6ht5-0006rq-W8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:28:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37081 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6hvC-0008Di-Kl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:30:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41531) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6hv4-00088W-VL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6hv1-0000L7-P4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:30:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:40623) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6hv1-0000Kr-Ku for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6hv1-0006Oo-4f; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:30:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26105 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 26105-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26105.152356137524523 (code B ref 26105); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:30:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 26105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 19:29:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48518 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6huZ-0006NS-6g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:29:35 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:37123) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6huX-0006NC-C8 for 26105@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:29:33 -0400 Original-Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6huT-0006vK-Iq; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:29:32 +0200 Original-Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f6huN-0005u0-Oi; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:29:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87zigmygk5.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> (Tim Landscheidt's message of "Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:34:18 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:145198 Archived-At: Tim Landscheidt writes: > | We see that each element consists of a =E2=80=9Cdotted pair=E2=80=9D= =E2=80=94the thing before > | the dot is the key, while the thing after the dot is the value. All the > | parameters have this form _except_ local variable specs, which are not > | dotted pairs, but proper lists. > > IMHO this behaviour is surprising and makes customizing non- > list variables for groups unnecessarily complicated; it > should be changed so that all values can be set. > > If Gnus differentiates between two types of parameters as > the info suggests, IMHO this would be better done by compar- > ing (car elem) to a white-list of parameters to be treated > differently. Yeah, but changing this would break the parameters that people may be using. If we remove the distinction between parameters and local variables, then things will break for users. I agree that the current state isn't optimal, but I don't see any way to fix this in an intuitive and backwards-compatible way. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no