From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Loris Bennett" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using R-mail in Emacs Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:31:04 +0200 Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Message-ID: <871s9wh1d3.fsf@hornfels.zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <86va7afpda.fsf@zoho.com> <83musmktmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2hxstkw.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <837ejplc7p.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhwlzct5.fsf@gmail.com> <87d0tgh6rx.fsf@hornfels.zedat.fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536917609 7066 195.159.176.226 (14 Sep 2018 09:33:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:33:29 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 14 11:33:25 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0kTc-0001kd-Og for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:33:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50808 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0kVj-00045s-2k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:35:35 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 62 Original-X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de oZgUq99UD0jcN5JACR/gMg9NNb2hIY+ljmHykvLyEKSz7Q Cancel-Lock: sha1:40DbbK1i7pHmKGVGd8D7o6pNBLw= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:223778 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:117903 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: "Loris Bennett" >> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:34:10 +0200 >> >> > The oldest email in my INBOX is from 18 years ago, and I still need it >> > from time to time. I guess time-based expiration is not for me. >> >> The default is for articles not to expire - you have to mark an email >> explicitly as expirable for it to get deleted at some point. > > If that is true (Robert seems to say it isn't by default), then Gnus > is not different from Rmail, where I explicitly delete messages I > don't want to keep (and filing them to an archive folder by default > marks it as deleted), and then expunge my INBOX once a week to > physically remove those marked for deletion. I think Robert is incorrect here. In the documentation here https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Expiring-Mail.html it says "Gnus will not delete your old, read mail. Unless you ask it to, of course." >> Does an email from my wife about school need to be filed in "family" >> or "school"? > > At worst, you will have to search both folders, which is still better > than searching all of them. And when that happens, it's an > opportunity to rethink the way you organized your folders. > >> For this reason I find myself thinking that just one or two folders >> with a good search mechanism would be a more flexible solution. The above is, indeed, me rethinking. > When you have a good idea what is you are searching form, > i.e. remember some unique phrase or some other attribute, then folders > are entirely irrelevant, because you can search all of your archives > in milliseconds. Folders are only of help when you don't have a good > idea what to search for, and only a very vague recollection of the > issue you want to find. My problem is that there doesn't seem to be a pure IMAP solution for Emacs with which I can search 'in milliseconds'. A worst case for me is more like 10 seconds, although ultimately I can also live with that. >> PS: Eli, shouldn't that 18-year-old mail in your INBOX have been filed >> away into one of your two dozen folders by now 😉? Or is it maybe one of >> those tricky corner-cases 😅? > > Filing mail away means it's out of sight. There are things I don't > want to be out of my sight, ever. Cheers, Loris -- This signature is currently under construction.