From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="53345"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 18 10:51:18 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1isklC-000DqE-7i for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xJ5mqIQkRmcI1svv5pRJyuaXlhVqZ80t8QkipTtOaVw=; b=PWCAHNePPeg55UBTiKmwRDaaSV Cotf/jaM/ide7kf3wldJGRDif52JmHLOsr+WM4FUY27iNHVIYa9ODBP+jl2hdVwxdvQV9wcT73G5N /+AvxuqS9EXyc5jyQw0ygF3ulKS6/NVfmyJu+FH5gu+a4okCw6Zewu0UmgkX4KjjbESTT7sIfn/cU aBQdAf1XI+VD9smjPHCHkO/K0Gglx90T+R7cgF4oK/0cJv0KmF8PY3oKOhp3ixJXK1a0EsTVnQwSK khspqzatJ/MOQYfaPq4D6Ya10oKajBZG10rd1hC869B8xYw+AKyHEtQjkAlSG4sjubnd4w95YIDAr Ur1iOkDg==; Original-Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:56118 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iskk3-001r0t-Of; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 04:50:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:34:36 -0500") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:174801 Archived-At: Noam Postavsky writes: >> When I run "emacs -Q foobar", it only shows the contents on foobar, >> and not the splash screen. > > -Q skips the splash screen, try -q instead. Right, there it is. I agree that this should be changed. I expect a splash screen to be shown only when I run a command without specifying any particular file. IME, this is what most other software does, and I see no reason why Emacs should be different. There is very important political information on that screen about user freedom, GNU and the FSF. Yes. But this way of showing it to users is too intrusive. We win the fight against proprietary software also by providing the best possible user experience. Of course, this is easy to configure if you know what you're doing. However, I think it gets to be an annoyance for beginning users well before they even figure out how to do that. --- Here's one data point: I remember being frustrated by this when I first started using Emacs 15+ years ago. It took me some time to figure out that you could turn it off. Weeks? Months? No idea. Long enough that I still remember it now. Even after you start customizing Emacs, this is not necessarily the first thing you think about configuring. At least it wasn't for me. Best regards, Stefan Kangas