From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247830 Archived-At: On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 20:57:17 +0900 Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: >> On Apr 26, 2020, at 0:31, Stefan Kangas wrote: >> >> Stefan Kangas writes: >> >>> - An unwillingness to assign copyright to the FSF, seemingly often mor= e due to >>> inertia than any principled opposition. >> >> Here's a first proposal to improve the situation: including the "Why >> Assign?" text in the manual. Yes, the manual will be longer, but if >> even one more person will read and understand the reasons behind the >> FSF's insistence on assignments, I think it will be worth it. Please >> see the attached. >> >> Best regards, >> Stefan Kangas >> > > "each author ... provide+s" ? In this context ("FSF requires that each author of code incorporated in FSF projects provide a copyright assignment") "provide" is correct (here corresponding to the subjunctive in French), especially in formal registers of English, though many people don't use this in everyday speaking or writing. Steve Berman