From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:01:29 +0300 Message-ID: <871rj9uz12.fsf@gkayaalp.com> References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> <9A4FA038-CCFD-45DF-8B57-E348AFF951D9@gmail.com> <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <87h7s6c31d.fsf@gmail.com> <87mu1xrjqw.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <48ed4897-356c-4669-a330-1fdb5d65402b@default> <83lfhhijbl.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30557"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: casouri@gmail.com, Yuri Khan , ghe@sdf.org, self@gkayaalp.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, tecosaur@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 10 23:02:43 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGTiM-0007oN-Pj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 23:02:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59584 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGTiL-00069e-T4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:02:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42782) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGThL-0005Cm-FX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:01:39 -0400 Original-Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.232]:56753) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGThJ-0001Hi-8E; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:01:39 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [31.206.236.86]) (Authenticated sender: self@gkayaalp.com) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0D93A20000A; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 21:01:30 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: <83lfhhijbl.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.70.178.232; envelope-from=self@gkayaalp.com; helo=relay12.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/10 17:01:32 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255053 Archived-At: On 2020-09-10 21:21 +03, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Emacs doesn't have a View menu. And frankly, in an editor, too many > things are about "viewing" for View to be of any use. > > Also, Options in many apps is not easily discovered, its place is not > fixed: sometimes in Tools, sometimes somewhere else. Emacs, being a > highly-customizable application, cannot avoid having Options at top > level. It appears that in Emacs we have the extra trouble of menu-bar-mode being one of the first things people disable, and some major =E2=80=98distr= os=E2=80=99 like Spacemacs seem to disable them by default, so many people never even see it. Also, FWIW, I just noticed the Options menu for the first time in my life, after reading Drew=E2=80=99s message, even though the menu= bar has been sitting there before my eyes for years... There was an idea in another thread that we could ask major distros to not disable menu bar, and I said I could create the issues, but I though I=E2=80=99d wait for some of the maintainers (dis)agree first. What do you think, would such a thing be useful? -- =C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427