From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mingde (Matthew) Zeng" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Include leaf in Emacs distribution Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:53:05 -0400 Message-ID: <871ri3rwsu.fsf@posteo.net> References: <20201008.103747.1339582189858984269.conao3@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36281"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 Cc: Ergus , Naoya Yamashita , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 23:06:52 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kS51w-0009Mk-6k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 23:06:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57144 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS51v-0001Jg-86 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 17:06:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41846) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS4ok-0003Ul-Mb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:53:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:58479) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS4oh-0004mS-4q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:53:13 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 894D0160062 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:53:05 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1602535985; bh=6lchIkiRh5xaJqHkRWGgSKJvitVLmImNE5gdmaE39GE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=XzLAPmUfr36VpU8kfUatvuGoo+FW/N2t03tEyZCZgvh7rD9jPa68Rc4btKLG1fnVU FfVlwmDoKn0EcRR+8eYM9zvPLjlr9Vr46glz3d3KcV3iN0fQD1ONVu6MoZJCdci831 WPFAiCHzmKOXKM+sz+hdl3oUgWVZUp3mwcjdodN3l2ikXCpzBfwpGMA26FsTz9J/Zt yKq3atVCyWGj/hZUhexgSCkhSJ3+r2q3SyGEbnDmfUAZK0Yl8X5th/fjP5lepO5rai 4bxNSc4h1G+8uZc+zqoIVK+9cQNPMRkFTRKh3Kmrsa4i7OV+vhAO9QPYO39rfHPGts nVpl6IlvmYpuw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4C99qh1Np4z9rxy; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:53:03 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=matthewzmd@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/12 16:53:05 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257497 Archived-At: > Why would you say that there is no progress? It seems to me that > exactly the opposite is the case. > > See: https://github.com/jwiegley/use-package/issues/282 >From what I see the copyright assignment is almost done on the use-package side. >From a pure user's perspective, I very much prefer to use a package named `use-package` instead of `leaf` to manage my emacs packages. Besides, when choosing a package to use, I personally prefer a matured (in terms of the number of years in development and number of contributors) and a popular (in terms of [m]elpa downloads or Github stars or discussions on forums/reddit) package. These are indications to me that the package is good, useful, and that people trust it. use-package excels in all these places. Maybe leaf has a better design or has better code quality, I haven't personally read the sourcecode so I have no say here. Therefore I suggest to wait a bit until the use-package team finalizes the copyright assignment and merge that instead. Anyways no offence intended toward leaf, it is a cool pakcage and I might try it some day. However I just don't think it would be a really good idea for it to be part of emacs itself. -- Mingde (Matthew) Zeng