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Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kXkaS-00023t-Co; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:29:59 +0100 X-Now-Playing: Duma's _Duma_: "Sin Nature" In-Reply-To: <6109697A-352F-4861-8D69-FCB60A39EB58@acm.org> ("Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?="'s message of "Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:18:34 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:191867 Archived-At: Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd writes: > Perhaps what Andreas meant is what since Dired is defined in terms of > the behaviour of the 'ls' command it runs, and users can specify > arbitrary command-line switches, we cannot really change much of it. Sure we can, as long as there's an upgrade path. We deprecate, say, dired-ls-sorting-switches but introduce a new, Lisp-ey variable that does the same (and provides reasonable defaults by looking at and interpreting the obsolete variable). > More likely we should consider Dired a lost cause that cannot be fixed > because of its design, and write a modern alternative. > That would have many benefits, including not being tied to a > particular output format just for the sake of tradition. > Presumably that is what you meant by new-dired? No -- there are several alternative file browsers in Emacs. What matters is the default one, because that's the one with an approximately infinite number of open bug reports that can't realistically be fixed, and that's dired. I think it's feasible to rewrite dired to be sane without breaking too much stuff -- not a 100% drop in replacement, but close enough that most people won't notice (except that it would have fewer bugs). --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no