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From: Jonathan McHugh <indieterminacy@libre.brussels>
To: Juan Manuel =?utf-8?Q?Mac=C3=ADas?= <maciaschain@posteo.net>
Subject: Re: Org to ConTeXt exporter?
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Hello Juan,

I investigated further the Context engine for Skribilo:
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=3Dskribilo.git;a=3Dtree;f=3Dsrc/guil=
e/skribilo/engine;h=3D9c6353eb7c6eae70de007c2f0a8f01092ae669a2;hb=3DHEAD

While I cant comment on it's Context engine functionality or efficacy, it c=
learly has a
decent breakdown of usecases across its 1300 lines. It appears to have
had low updates frequency, probably as a consequence of the stability of
Context's syntax (rather than the momentum of the DSL). It may be useful
as a checklist of key terms to tick off, if not a consideration for
framing anything to serve Org-Moders.

I have CC=E2=80=99d Ludovic Court=C3=A8s, who has spearheaded Skribilo and =
all the
commits for it=E2=80=99s Context engine. Judging by his output within the G=
uix
community it=E2=80=99s possible that he may have some insights concerning t=
his
thread:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2020-12/msg00731.html

Part of Skribilo=E2=80=99s homepage blurb intrigued me:
"Last but not least, Skribilo can be thought of as a complete document
programming framework for the Scheme programming language that may be
used to automate a variety of document generation tasks. Technically,
the Skribilo language/API is an embedded domain-specific language
(EDSL), implemented via so-called =E2=80=9Cdeep embedding=E2=80=9D. Skribil=
o uses GNU
Guile 3.0 or 2.x as the underlying Scheme implementation."
https://nongnu.org/skribilo/index.html
Still early in my Lisp journey, I do not know whether it would be
abhorrent/inelegant for the eLisp orientation of Org-Mode to defer to Guile=
 (at the
backend) for outputting in different formats.

Kind regards,


Jonathan

Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas <maciaschain@posteo.net> writes:

> Hello, Jonathan,
>
> Jonathan McHugh <indieterminacy@libre.brussels> writes:
>
>> I have wondered about the interoperability between Context and Latex.
>>
>> As somebody who (previously) invested a lot of time into Latex, my migra=
tion to
>> Context (due to its emphasis on Lua) grew problematic once other commitm=
ents
>> grew.
>
> What I like about ConTeXt is its (let's say) avant-garde vocation. But
> for my everyday work I prefer LaTeX: more extensible, more versatile,
> even more documented. But we must accept that ConTeXt is also an
> advanced typographic laboratory where many functionalities also end up
> in LaTeX over time. In fact, as far as I know, the future LaTeX3 adopts
> some ideas from ConTeXt.
>
> On Lua, LuaLaTeX also has good support. And many new LaTeX packages are
> already getting very good use of LuaTeX features.
>
>> The lack of Context support in Org-Mode has made me consider reverting
>> back to Latex.
>
> I know some advanced ConTeXt users (I am not) who are very interested in
> migrating to Org Mode. In that aspect, I think a native exporter to
> ConTeXt would be of great help.
>
> Generally speaking, I think Org is the perfect interface to use TeX and
> friends. One of the things I like the most about Org Mode is that it
> allows working in (La)TeX at a very high level. Of course, for advanced
> use, the more you know about LaTeX and TeX, the better. For example, if
> I work on a large book, I usually write the entire configuration (the
> preamble, my macros, my LaTeX code, etc.) to an Org file, and then I gene=
rate
> a Preamble.tex file using tangle. I have a master file and several
> subdocuments for the parts and sections of the book. And I make heavy
> use of Org Publish. But in all that workflow, LaTeX is always in the
> background. It is mainly a matter of comfort: I love TeX and its
> derivatives, its power and its typographic refinement, but its language
> is very verbose and the sources are difficult to debug. Org mode is much
> more human readable. And even much more readable and comfortable than
> Markdown.
>
>> If I had a lot of time it would be wonderful to develop parsing
>> expression grammars to capture it all, irrespective of direction ... mmm=
 time....
>
> Yes, time is the problem: I think TODO lists were invented to have a
> foot of mud in the future :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Juan Manuel=20=20=20=20=20


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