From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: non word abbrevs Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2021 05:11:57 +0100 Message-ID: <871r3sob8y.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <2F7AC7B8-48AA-4BF3-B5AA-A4141F248109@traduction-libre.org> <4097001A-F60D-4712-B828-EA778BFCF56E@traduction-libre.org> <2067AA83-8EC0-4429-9189-9E3CCCFD06BB@traduction-libre.org> <976C9A57-FA22-4E47-AF16-C1B20C66E451@traduction-libre.org> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22302"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:bwjW5Fu2WQ9/6y8eONC++q9tr7k= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 07 05:12:48 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mjZY0-0005ch-44 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2021 05:12:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51760 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mjZXy-0007Uh-UL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2021 00:12:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51586) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mjZXP-0007SU-HR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2021 00:12:11 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:47116) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mjZXN-0000ma-8Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2021 00:12:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mjZXK-0004uF-Np for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2021 05:12:06 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:134434 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: >> On Nov 7, 2021, at 12:15, Stefan Monnier via Users list for >> the GNU Emacs text editor wrote: > >> Not completely: the original motivation for adding that `:regexp` >> keyword was to handle abbrevs of the form "`foo" as well as others of >> the form "foo/bar" ;-) > > And the overall feature seems severely under-documented... > Honestly, I barely understood your explanations... It doesn't execute if the last char is for example a dash ... Try an abbrev that is "a-b" (not "a to b", the chars a, dash, and b), the "a-b" abbrev will work as b is the last char, not the dash this time. (dash is "HYPHEN-MINUS" officially :)) > Maybe expecting to have abbrevs work way was a mistake, but > it does not seem possible to have (easy...) arbitrary string > expansion in out-of-the-box-emacs without abbrevs. It is easy! Try setup an abbrev that is "aaaz" to "bbbz", with the punctuation chars it doesn't work since it doesn't trigger, that's a bug, good work YOU for finding it! Your code works fine with "aaaz" to "bbbz", well, details aside since you tried to do something else. > Would there be another more idiomatic way ? No, you did it the right way, Emacs did it the wrong way, but as long as we have our captain going at - I don't know how many percent? - but surely plenty enough to fix these kind of bugs :) -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal