From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : A peek to the other side Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 04:36:23 +0100 Message-ID: <871qzq8fk8.fsf@zoho.eu> References: Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8318"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:JhR7NXDK8aO2YpSsOr4T3E+fh1w= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 26 04:37:00 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nNntD-0001wV-M9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Feb 2022 04:36:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58966 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nNntC-0003iZ-8K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 22:36:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37890) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nNnso-0003iD-T8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 22:36:34 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:52942) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nNnsn-0007NY-5r for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 22:36:34 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nNnsk-0001P1-7s for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Feb 2022 04:36:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:136193 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > The tendency to think in strong black-&-white, > internal/external, baked/fluid, closed/open terms comes also > (I think) from the fact that developers come to Emacs and > Elisp from working with other, more static/structured > languages and environments - worlds where there really can > be a strong use and need for an inside/outside separation > and protecting coders from themselves and code from itself > (beyond purposes of abstraction). If nothing in terms of technology separates them, no need to invent something artificial that pretends to do that, if that's what happens. If an alien race of super-hackers conquered Earth, beings that were totally ignorant about humans but could immediately and fully understand any piece of code they were looking at ... would they see the same thing two times, or different things one time each? Interestingly we, who are still humans most of us, should use the same method ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal