From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric S Fraga Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gmail+imap+smtp (oauth2) Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 10:52:50 +0100 Organization: On the Interweb somewhere Message-ID: <871qx0xuod.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> References: <87o805q2tm.fsf@logand.com> <87y1z9dcn2.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38897"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:2ThgMexApzNq3Bjk6FzjAcrI7dY= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 11 11:56:22 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1noj4w-0009wg-Ai for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 11:56:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35860 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noj4u-0005lP-Vg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:56:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48226) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noj3i-0004Mk-A7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:55:06 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:51998) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noj3g-0004YA-Ac for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:55:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1noj3e-000810-0U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 11:55:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Url: http://twitter.com/ericsfraga/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289622 Archived-At: On Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 17:51, Tim Cross wrote: > Of course, the real solution here is that schools/universitites should > just get out of the business of providing email services to students. Although I agree with this sentiment, we are told (in my institution) to always communicate with students using their "official" email, for the same reason you give for staff having an institutional email: > Email is considered official records of the institution, so it is fair > enough that the email account you get as a staff member is actually > part of your work relationship with the institution and not your > private email. We do need to evolve to universal email addresses, not just for staff. But there are many reasons why this will not happen including anonymity when desired. My main problem with all of this is that most institutions are choosing one of either MS or Google to provide the services, and neither has a particularly good track record in following any standards. Hence making it difficult for those of us not using their preferred access methods/tools. -- Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 29.0.50 2022-05-10) on Debian 11.3