From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Colin Baxter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 11:51:26 +0100 Message-ID: <871qwk8qtt.fsf@yandex.com> References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5152"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 23 12:53:44 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nt5h2-0001BZ-39 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 12:53:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40210 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nt5h0-00034J-KD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 06:53:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53020) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nt5fr-0002MJ-Vk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 06:52:34 -0400 Original-Received: from forward500j.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:0:801:2::110]:41548) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nt5fo-0003Ir-TV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 06:52:31 -0400 Original-Received: from myt6-93965afc2133.qloud-c.yandex.net (myt6-93965afc2133.qloud-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c12:5525:0:640:9396:5afc]) by forward500j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 69DD56CB6D77 for ; Mon, 23 May 2022 13:51:29 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: from myt6-654ec0a0ab93.qloud-c.yandex.net (myt6-654ec0a0ab93.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c12:1d80:0:640:654e:c0a0]) by myt6-93965afc2133.qloud-c.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id chuPRrDryK-pTfuKMmW; Mon, 23 May 2022 13:51:29 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 2 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1653303089; bh=qBKbA1BsUYNHun4FVHi2lguksY0AGIMi4pfZ3MwFXNg=; h=In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:Date:References:To:From:Message-ID; b=yO1HYkFxgUSK57KHDL5r7ZfTEqfPECiolmAmLDt2UjZjcZPYxBCU6auYh3L7aN8yi eOCcILzYyimX+llNrkB5ETC0ZqNqFX0eKIX0GHwmSyN/ECH7E2nahW7YlV7hm8GGKZ nv5Llec+JjMUIrmfjtXvycOIXyNqSq3YZgL0Sx1A= Authentication-Results: myt6-93965afc2133.qloud-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Original-Received: by myt6-654ec0a0ab93.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 9epHWeczva-pSJ0ohqO; Mon, 23 May 2022 13:51:28 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) X-Face: BHjiJOg/Qmj'BQgsAKL@])L)e62P)C"Y=6T In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Mon, 23 May 2022 09:50:23 +0300") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAEkAAAATAgMAAAChCMjeAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAACVBMVEX/zAABCWP///8I RHjYAAAAAWJLR0QCZgt8ZAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1FB+UFEAk5BvqS634A AAAbSURBVBjTY2BgCA1hYA0FAxDDgQEERsXoIAYA2F9Eb3cpB+AAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRl ADIwMjEtMDUtMTZUMTA6NTY6MTcrMDE6MDCh/kkpAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTA1 LTE2VDA5OjU3OjA2KzAxOjAwTyZ6HwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:6b8:0:801:2::110; envelope-from=m43cap@yandex.com; helo=forward500j.mail.yandex.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137361 Archived-At: >>>>> Jean Louis writes: > * Emanuel Berg [2022-05-23 00:22]: >> One problem with IRC is the presence of lamers, luckily this >> problem can be solved easily with technology starting with the >> IRC client. Today I learned how to do this with my client, ERC: > =F0=9F=98=A5=EF=B8=8F Emacs channel for years has no moderators who m= oderate by > common sense and police the channel for good behavior, there are > no special rules, and those policies displayed like to avoid > discrimination and asshatery will be quickly broken by those few > dominating over larger group of people there. > And people participating, often few hundreds of them may think and > get opinion that rude behavior is acceptable -- no it is not > normal, there are many occurences of unfriendly and abusively > dominating behavior. > Some of alpha monkey dominators will switch from channel to > channel after the user and even complain why did that user go to > other channel. They go because of abusive behavior. > Public come to #emacs for Emacs reasons. They will often find > narcissists' behavior and abuse. Insults and mockery are common. > #emacs IMHO is not GNU governedchannel, rather it is GNU project > related channel, IMHO, is also not moderated by GNU Kind > Communication Guidelines. > This is appearing as generalization, as I do not want to mention > the dominators' nick names. > Some people complain on Libreplanet mailing list on unwelcoming > environments in social networks around free software. I can really > understand such complaints, and I like to point to friendly > digital places for help. IMHO #emacs channel on IRC is such place > due to few dominating parties. This is because dominators live in > their own digital world behind the computer, forgetting about the > human beings on other side of the world. I agree wholeheartily with the above. I tried #emacs but quickly gave up and now never go there. Best wishes,