From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: completing-read depricated initial-input Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 04:29:00 +0200 Message-ID: <871qven6ab.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <86r13hubaw.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <86letphfke.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <86mte3lsj2.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <871qvfoce1.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30022"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:tuXkfbnAodb4YRXk1eeIrPc7HcE= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 24 04:31:54 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Z6w-0007c3-M1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 04:31:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40492 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Z6v-0004Us-JQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 22:31:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54774) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Z5K-0004TY-S2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 22:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:34222) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Z5D-0000iR-Ba for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 22:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Z58-0005JC-35 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 04:30:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:138058 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: > I haven't really followed that thread, but IMO the > `initial-input` arg should be changed into `setup-function` > (so we don't have to use the hideous > `minibuffer-with-setup-function` hack) and using a string > there should be deprecated (the rare places where inserting > an initial string makes sense can use a setup-function > instead). I thought about that to, good idea but if so move the 'setup-fun' formal parameter to the right of 'def' so there don't have to be nil in between all the time in Elisp code, because to have/want a default value will be much more common. > Also the prompt handling should be changed so that it > automatically inserts the default into the prompt. 100%, and not just that, everything and anything that can be automated one should never leave to a human, programmer or not ... > Doing that in a reliable and backward compatible way is not > completely straightforward, tho, so maybe a simpler solution > is to introduce a whole new function instead. Right. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal