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I agree. I think this kind of language actually beneficial, when it helps in conveying the "intuition" behind a concept, using analogies (this of course is nothing new, you almost certainly did this too if you ever had to explain something to someone less experienced than you). If we find this choice of word poor or misleading, that's actually very good: it means we care for the quality of Emacs. But I would say that a clarification would be just as good, without giving up the analogy: "This is morally equvalent to [...], meaning that it is equal in all practical sense, except that [...]" (please correct me if I misunderstood something) As a OCD guy, please let me tell you all: relax! :-) It's very good to be passionate even about minor things. Not so much if those become a division. -- Alessandro Bertulli