* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? @ 2023-02-06 1:49 Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-06 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-02-06 14:07 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-06 1:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 61307 Hello, I discovered that when scrolling with the mouse wheel while `pixel-scroll-precision-mode' is enabled `window-scroll-functions' are not run. Should they be? TIA, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-06 1:49 bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-06 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-02-06 21:30 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-06 14:07 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-06 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Heerdegen; +Cc: 61307 > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> > Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 02:49:54 +0100 > > I discovered that when scrolling with the mouse wheel while > `pixel-scroll-precision-mode' is enabled `window-scroll-functions' are > not run. Should they be? Are you saying that window-scroll-functions are _never_ run, no matter how far and for how long you are scrolling? Or are they sometimes run and sometimes not, like only if you scroll far enough? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-06 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-06 21:30 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-12 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-06 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 61307 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > I discovered that when scrolling with the mouse wheel while > > `pixel-scroll-precision-mode' is enabled `window-scroll-functions' are > > not run. Should they be? > > Are you saying that window-scroll-functions are _never_ run, no matter > how far and for how long you are scrolling? Or are they sometimes run > and sometimes not, like only if you scroll far enough? No, never, as far as I can tell. Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-06 21:30 ` Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-12 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-02-13 2:20 ` Michael Heerdegen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-12 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Heerdegen; +Cc: 61307 > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> > Cc: 61307@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 22:30:19 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > > I discovered that when scrolling with the mouse wheel while > > > `pixel-scroll-precision-mode' is enabled `window-scroll-functions' are > > > not run. Should they be? > > > > Are you saying that window-scroll-functions are _never_ run, no matter > > how far and for how long you are scrolling? Or are they sometimes run > > and sometimes not, like only if you scroll far enough? > > No, never, as far as I can tell. So I guess we should add calls to window-scroll-functions inside pixel-scroll.el functions which actually scroll. Patches welcome. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-12 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-13 2:20 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-13 3:31 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-13 2:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 61307 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > So I guess we should add calls to window-scroll-functions inside > pixel-scroll.el functions which actually scroll. Patches welcome. pixel-scroll-mode (without "precision") already behaves correctly, AFAICT. pixel-scroll-precision-mode has basically one command in its minor mode map that does not call the w-s-functions: `pixel-scroll-precision'. So the naïve approach would be: call `window-scroll-functions' at the end of that command. Is this the right direction? Else I guess I'm not qualified here. Haven't checked that momentum stuff (for scrolling) yet. Thanks, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-13 2:20 ` Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-13 3:31 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-02-13 3:44 ` Michael Heerdegen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-13 3:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Heerdegen; +Cc: 61307 > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> > Cc: 61307@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 03:20:19 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > So I guess we should add calls to window-scroll-functions inside > > pixel-scroll.el functions which actually scroll. Patches welcome. > > pixel-scroll-mode (without "precision") already behaves correctly, > AFAICT. > > pixel-scroll-precision-mode has basically one command in its minor mode > map that does not call the w-s-functions: `pixel-scroll-precision'. > > So the naïve approach would be: call `window-scroll-functions' at the > end of that command. Is this the right direction? Else I guess I'm not > qualified here. Haven't checked that momentum stuff (for scrolling) yet. Each command would be too often, I think, since this could be every pixel. So I thought about some factor, perhaps configurable via a variable, that would cause the call to be done every N pixels of scroll. WDYT? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-13 3:31 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-13 3:44 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-13 12:56 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-13 3:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 61307 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > Each command would be too often, I think, since this could be every > pixel. So I thought about some factor, perhaps configurable via a > variable, that would cause the call to be done every N pixels of > scroll. > > WDYT? Don't all other scroll commands scroll after every single command invocation? Why is this one different? The scroll amounts are finer grained, but the amounts are not smaller. AFAIU the w-scroll-functions would not be called for each single scrolled pixel. Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-13 3:44 ` Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-13 12:56 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-02-14 1:30 ` Michael Heerdegen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-13 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Heerdegen; +Cc: 61307 > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> > Cc: 61307@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 04:44:53 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > Each command would be too often, I think, since this could be every > > pixel. So I thought about some factor, perhaps configurable via a > > variable, that would cause the call to be done every N pixels of > > scroll. > > > > WDYT? > > Don't all other scroll commands scroll after every single command > invocation? Why is this one different? Because you might make scrolling much slower if you call the scroll functions every pixel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-13 12:56 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-14 1:30 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-14 13:06 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-14 1:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 61307 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 348 bytes --] Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > Don't all other scroll commands scroll after every single command > > invocation? Why is this one different? > > Because you might make scrolling much slower if you call the scroll > functions every pixel. Sorry that I repeat myself, but I don't understand why that would happen. This is what I tried: [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #2: 61307.diff --] [-- Type: text/x-diff, Size: 1017 bytes --] *** /tmp/ediffnuE8b2 2023-02-14 02:24:24.300444006 +0100 --- /home/micha/software/emacs/lisp/pixel-scroll.el 2023-02-14 02:20:40.472154353 +0100 *************** *** 725,731 **** (beginning-of-buffer (message (error-message-string '(beginning-of-buffer)))) (end-of-buffer ! (message (error-message-string '(end-of-buffer)))))))))) (mwheel-scroll event nil)))) (defun pixel-scroll-kinetic-state (&optional window) --- 725,733 ---- (beginning-of-buffer (message (error-message-string '(beginning-of-buffer)))) (end-of-buffer ! (message (error-message-string '(end-of-buffer)))))) ! (run-hook-with-args 'window-scroll-functions ! (selected-window) (window-start)))))) (mwheel-scroll event nil)))) (defun pixel-scroll-kinetic-state (&optional window) [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 534 bytes --] I don't see the hook called for each pixel. What do you mean? A second thing I wonder about: the docstring of `window-scroll-functions' says: | These functions are called whenever the `window-start' marker is modified, | either to point into another buffer (e.g. via `set-window-buffer') or another | place in the same buffer. Is this correct and complete? Is the window-start marker modified in our scenario? If it is, why do we have to call the hook explicitly? If it is not, should we update that marker? TIA, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-14 1:30 ` Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-14 13:06 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-02-15 4:06 ` Michael Heerdegen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-14 13:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Heerdegen; +Cc: 61307 > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> > Cc: 61307@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 02:30:10 +0100 > > > Because you might make scrolling much slower if you call the scroll > > functions every pixel. > > Sorry that I repeat myself, but I don't understand why that would > happen. This is what I tried: > > *** /tmp/ediffnuE8b2 2023-02-14 02:24:24.300444006 +0100 > --- /home/micha/software/emacs/lisp/pixel-scroll.el 2023-02-14 02:20:40.472154353 +0100 > *************** > *** 725,731 **** > (beginning-of-buffer > (message (error-message-string '(beginning-of-buffer)))) > (end-of-buffer > ! (message (error-message-string '(end-of-buffer)))))))))) > (mwheel-scroll event nil)))) > > (defun pixel-scroll-kinetic-state (&optional window) > --- 725,733 ---- > (beginning-of-buffer > (message (error-message-string '(beginning-of-buffer)))) > (end-of-buffer > ! (message (error-message-string '(end-of-buffer)))))) > ! (run-hook-with-args 'window-scroll-functions > ! (selected-window) (window-start)))))) > (mwheel-scroll event nil)))) > > (defun pixel-scroll-kinetic-state (&optional window) > > I don't see the hook called for each pixel. What do you mean? Each time you do the smallest possible scroll, by how many pixels, or by what fraction of the screen-line's height does Emacs scroll the window? IOW, by how many pixels is the display scrolled for each call to window-scroll-functions? Precision pixel-scrolling supports many different devices (mice and touch-pads), which can scroll at very different resolutions. The possibility that window-scroll-functions be called too frequently depends on what exactly do your device and your Emacs build support in this scenario, and I don't yet have a clear idea about that, since you didn't tell. > A second thing I wonder about: the docstring of > `window-scroll-functions' says: > > | These functions are called whenever the `window-start' marker is modified, > | either to point into another buffer (e.g. via `set-window-buffer') or another > | place in the same buffer. > > Is this correct and complete? More or less. (I don't like how it explains this stuff by using internal implementation detail, but I cannot think of a better explanation that is still accurate enough.) > Is the window-start marker modified in our scenario? Not in the way that the "usual" scrolling commands do. This mode uses non-nil 3rd argument to set-window-start. So the display engine doesn't know that the window is scrolled. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-14 13:06 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-15 4:06 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-15 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-15 4:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 61307 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > I don't see the hook called for each pixel. What do you mean? > > Each time you do the smallest possible scroll, by how many pixels, or > by what fraction of the screen-line's height does Emacs scroll the > window? IOW, by how many pixels is the display scrolled for each call > to window-scroll-functions? > > Precision pixel-scrolling supports many different devices (mice and > touch-pads), which can scroll at very different resolutions. The > possibility that window-scroll-functions be called too frequently > depends on what exactly do your device and your Emacs build support in > this scenario, and I don't yet have a clear idea about that, since you > didn't tell. I feel a bit lost. What should I tell? I have no idea what I could know about this that you don't already know. But I understand that what I see when scrolling with a normal wheel mouse is only one case we need to handle. AFAIU, scrolling by dragging the vertical scroll bar is not handled by precision scrolling. So we speak about touch events (although `pixel-scroll-precision-mode-map' only binds <touch-end>, but that event may also be generated very often) and mice with a more or less continuous scroll wheel (or ball) and such things. I don't have access to such a device and really feel uncomfortable to suggest a patch for these cases I must admit. Or would you suggest to call the window-scroll functions just after a certain time limit? A pixel-delta limit would probably not be sufficient, since we want to call the functions also for small scroll amounts if they are not directly followed by another scroll (I guess). So do we just want to use a timer for this? Or use a combination of those approaches (scrolling farther than a certain amount fires the scroll functions immediately, but also small amounts call them if the user doesn't scroll after delta more milliseconds)? Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-15 4:06 ` Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-15 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-02-16 4:57 ` Michael Heerdegen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-15 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Heerdegen; +Cc: 61307 > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> > Cc: 61307@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 05:06:12 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > > I don't see the hook called for each pixel. What do you mean? > > > > Each time you do the smallest possible scroll, by how many pixels, or > > by what fraction of the screen-line's height does Emacs scroll the > > window? IOW, by how many pixels is the display scrolled for each call > > to window-scroll-functions? > > > > Precision pixel-scrolling supports many different devices (mice and > > touch-pads), which can scroll at very different resolutions. The > > possibility that window-scroll-functions be called too frequently > > depends on what exactly do your device and your Emacs build support in > > this scenario, and I don't yet have a clear idea about that, since you > > didn't tell. > > I feel a bit lost. What should I tell? I have no idea what I could > know about this that you don't already know. I hoped you will answer the specific questions I asked, quoted above. But since you don't have a device to actually observe pixel-scroll-precision-mode on your system, something I didn't know until now, I guess you cannot answer them? (I also don't have access to a suitable system, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered you with the questions.) > But I understand that what I see when scrolling with a normal wheel > mouse is only one case we need to handle. Right. Though on such a system, we should probably call window-scroll-functions every scroll. > AFAIU, scrolling by > dragging the vertical scroll bar is not handled by precision scrolling. Correct. > So we speak about touch events (although > `pixel-scroll-precision-mode-map' only binds <touch-end>, but that event > may also be generated very often) and mice with a more or less > continuous scroll wheel (or ball) and such things. Yes, capable mice (which also require a capable system to support them), and touch pads. > Or would you suggest to call the window-scroll functions just after a > certain time limit? I don't think a timer would be appropriate here. > A pixel-delta limit would probably not be > sufficient, since we want to call the functions also for small scroll > amounts if they are not directly followed by another scroll (I guess). Not necessarily. To see a similar situation, disable image-auto-resize mode, visit a large image, and scroll with C-n or C-p: you won't see window-scroll-functions called at all. That's basically what pixel-scroll-precision-mode works: it uses the window's vscroll, like we do with tall images. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-15 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-16 4:57 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-16 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-16 4:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 61307 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > Each time you do the smallest possible scroll, by how many pixels, or > > > by what fraction of the screen-line's height does Emacs scroll the > > > window? IOW, by how many pixels is the display scrolled for each call > > > to window-scroll-functions? > I hoped you will answer the specific questions I asked, quoted above. > But since you don't have a device to actually observe > pixel-scroll-precision-mode on your system, something I didn't know > until now, I guess you cannot answer them? (I also don't have access > to a suitable system, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered you with the > questions.) [ I'm sorry, I totally misunderstood your question as rhetorical, for me to think and understand ] I'm using a normal wheel mouse. I have nevertheless enabled `pixel-scroll-precision-mode' for two reasons: I want to have the animated "smooth scrolling" like known from browsers, which looks nicer and seems to be better for the eyes/ the brain. And I want to get a better scrolling experience for images (pdf, and such things). And the answer to your question is: I get a scroll amount of approximately 7 lines per <wheel-up> or <wheel-down> event. I configured pixel-scroll-precision-interpolation-factor to 1.5, the original value of 2.0 was a bit too large in my experience. > > But I understand that what I see when scrolling with a normal wheel > > mouse is only one case we need to handle. > Right. Though on such a system, we should probably call > window-scroll-functions every scroll. Is receiving <wheel-up> and <wheel-down> events a sufficient hint that the user is scrolling using a "normal" wheel mouse? Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-16 4:57 ` Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-16 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-02-16 8:47 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-16 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Heerdegen, Po Lu; +Cc: 61307 > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> > Cc: 61307@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 05:57:18 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > > But I understand that what I see when scrolling with a normal wheel > > > mouse is only one case we need to handle. > > > Right. Though on such a system, we should probably call > > window-scroll-functions every scroll. > > Is receiving <wheel-up> and <wheel-down> events a sufficient hint that > the user is scrolling using a "normal" wheel mouse? I'm not sure, but Po Lu will know. In any case, AFAIR some mice produce mouse-4 and mouse-5 events instead, so relying on the events' symbols might not be the best idea. We are supposed to know whether the device supports pixel precision, so maybe basing the decision on that is better? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-16 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-16 8:47 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2023-02-16 8:54 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-19 5:50 ` Michael Heerdegen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-02-16 8:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Michael Heerdegen, 61307 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> >> Cc: 61307@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 05:57:18 +0100 >> >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> >> > > But I understand that what I see when scrolling with a normal wheel >> > > mouse is only one case we need to handle. >> >> > Right. Though on such a system, we should probably call >> > window-scroll-functions every scroll. >> >> Is receiving <wheel-up> and <wheel-down> events a sufficient hint that >> the user is scrolling using a "normal" wheel mouse? > > I'm not sure, but Po Lu will know. > > In any case, AFAIR some mice produce mouse-4 and mouse-5 events > instead, so relying on the events' symbols might not be the best > idea. We are supposed to know whether the device supports pixel > precision, so maybe basing the decision on that is better? Try: (device-class last-event-frame last-event-device) but I will eventually get around to replacing this with some virtual modifier key in Emacs 30. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-16 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-02-16 8:47 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-02-16 8:54 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-19 5:50 ` Michael Heerdegen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-16 8:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Po Lu, 61307 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > In any case, AFAIR some mice produce mouse-4 and mouse-5 events > instead, so relying on the events' symbols might not be the best > idea. We are supposed to know whether the device supports pixel > precision, so maybe basing the decision on that is better? No idea. Hoping Po Lu can help. Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-16 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-02-16 8:47 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2023-02-16 8:54 ` Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-19 5:50 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-19 6:54 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-19 5:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Po Lu, 61307 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 390 bytes --] Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > I'm not sure, but Po Lu will know. > > In any case, AFAIR some mice produce mouse-4 and mouse-5 events > instead, so relying on the events' symbols might not be the best > idea. We are supposed to know whether the device supports pixel > precision, so maybe basing the decision on that is better? So, would this already be good enough as a start? [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #2: ps.diff --] [-- Type: text/x-diff, Size: 846 bytes --] diff --git a/lisp/pixel-scroll.el b/lisp/pixel-scroll.el index 487144144f5..1d2d3ff10fe 100644 --- a/lisp/pixel-scroll.el +++ b/lisp/pixel-scroll.el @@ -714,7 +714,10 @@ pixel-scroll-precision (let ((kin-state (pixel-scroll-kinetic-state))) (aset kin-state 0 (make-ring 30)) (aset kin-state 1 nil)) - (pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate delta current-window)) + (pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate delta current-window) + (run-hook-with-args 'window-scroll-functions + current-window + (window-start current-window))) (condition-case nil (progn (if (< delta 0) [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 132 bytes --] AFAIU, in that branch of the code we know that we are presumably dealing with a mouse or we scrolled by a larger amount. Michael. ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-19 5:50 ` Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-19 6:54 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2023-02-19 7:36 ` Michael Heerdegen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-02-19 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Heerdegen; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, 61307 Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> writes: > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > >> I'm not sure, but Po Lu will know. >> >> In any case, AFAIR some mice produce mouse-4 and mouse-5 events >> instead, so relying on the events' symbols might not be the best >> idea. We are supposed to know whether the device supports pixel >> precision, so maybe basing the decision on that is better? > > So, would this already be good enough as a start? > > diff --git a/lisp/pixel-scroll.el b/lisp/pixel-scroll.el > index 487144144f5..1d2d3ff10fe 100644 > --- a/lisp/pixel-scroll.el > +++ b/lisp/pixel-scroll.el > @@ -714,7 +714,10 @@ pixel-scroll-precision > (let ((kin-state (pixel-scroll-kinetic-state))) > (aset kin-state 0 (make-ring 30)) > (aset kin-state 1 nil)) > - (pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate delta current-window)) > + (pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate delta current-window) > + (run-hook-with-args 'window-scroll-functions > + current-window > + (window-start current-window))) > (condition-case nil > (progn > (if (< delta 0) > > > AFAIU, in that branch of the code we know that we are presumably dealing > with a mouse or we scrolled by a larger amount. > > Michael. What if you are scrolling with a touch pad or core pointer that never triggers the ``large scroll'' options? Either way, please make sure it stays fast (or at least put it behind an option which is off by default.) If window-scroll-functions are not called, then it stays tolerable for many people. But users will become extremely annoyed if precision pixel scrolling becomes too slow. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-19 6:54 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-02-19 7:36 ` Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-19 8:30 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-19 7:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Po Lu; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, 61307 Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes: > What if you are scrolling with a touch pad or core pointer that never > triggers the ``large scroll'' options? That is also my question! > Either way, please make sure it stays fast (or at least put it behind an > option which is off by default.) How can I be sure it stays fast? It's obviously the right thing for my setup, but I have _zero_ experience with other setups (devices). If you have, help would be very appreciated. Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-19 7:36 ` Michael Heerdegen @ 2023-02-19 8:30 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-02-19 8:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Heerdegen; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, 61307 Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> writes: > That is also my question! I suggest adding a new counter to the kinetic state which counts the number of pixels scrolled, taking into account the direction of the scroll. Then, once (abs counter) exceeds the line height, run window-scroll-functions. Alternatively, do that every time set-window-start is called. >> Either way, please make sure it stays fast (or at least put it behind an >> option which is off by default.) > > How can I be sure it stays fast? It's obviously the right thing for my > setup, but I have _zero_ experience with other setups (devices). If you > have, help would be very appreciated. I'd recommend asking people to try it, especially with editing modes that have lots of gizmos (``lsp-ui'' seems to be one of those, whatever it is.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-06 1:49 bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? Michael Heerdegen 2023-02-06 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-06 14:07 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2023-02-06 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-02-06 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Heerdegen; +Cc: 61307 Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> writes: > Hello, > > I discovered that when scrolling with the mouse wheel while > `pixel-scroll-precision-mode' is enabled `window-scroll-functions' are > not run. Should they be? > > > TIA, > > Michael. IIRC this is due to how pixel-scroll-precision-mode calls set-window-start with NOFORCE set to t. Patches welcome, but please make sure they do not slow precision scrolling down. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* bug#61307: 30.0.50; pixel-scroll-precision-mode: window-scroll-functions? 2023-02-06 14:07 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-02-06 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-02-06 15:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Po Lu; +Cc: michael_heerdegen, 61307 > Cc: 61307@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 22:07:55 +0800 > From: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> > > Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> writes: > > > Hello, > > > > I discovered that when scrolling with the mouse wheel while > > `pixel-scroll-precision-mode' is enabled `window-scroll-functions' are > > not run. Should they be? > > > > > > TIA, > > > > Michael. > > IIRC this is due to how pixel-scroll-precision-mode calls > set-window-start with NOFORCE set to t. > > Patches welcome, but please make sure they do not slow precision > scrolling down. We should probably call window-scroll-functions once in several scrolls, approximately, once every text line worth of scrolling or something. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
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