From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2023 14:13:33 +0000 Message-ID: <871qlze3g2.fsf@localhost> References: <873577570z.fsf@localhost> <875yc2s89n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h6vkbgot.fsf@localhost> <87mt5aj626.fsf@localhost> <87cz65hkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cz5kfza6.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18727"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, Gregory Heytings , Richard Stallman , 61325@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 08 15:13:33 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pZuXr-0004eb-Vg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 15:13:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pZuXQ-00052S-Im; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 09:13:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pZuXP-00051R-3C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 09:13:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pZuXO-0000z9-RJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 09:13:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pZuXN-00054n-VC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 09:13:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2023 14:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167828474019461 (code B ref 61325); Wed, 08 Mar 2023 14:13:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Mar 2023 14:12:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48114 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pZuWh-00053p-Sd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 09:12:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:42685) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pZuWg-00053Y-Gs for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 09:12:19 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C607B24074D for <61325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 8 Mar 2023 15:12:10 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1678284732; bh=V5DZrZ2+CD5vC73jC5OZaKDBM7oiCMtXfIu/ur5bvRs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=aBjzASu1CKKHhgInY9dyW4t5vZY72MtgsOVc6ra8FWrjnZ+RzMYqpTdzLqzKkwfLq EiYjLlXZFi7IwHJRJICZNUKkFhfC23vTcGYWG0lYXao9Nmpv2zkaSib4uSnJz7Zsoh IbkbrRuiKBsfidpykM8Mp64/ZPBx8IfY6iYxU0+j5BarHhI29uKBu2yqxfqbBHRz7j Co83LgrGUKZvpgsQmwU2nNoMrOzGOrpSREdApfZju1AkUr28hUd1gcaS6H0J4v/dRy k/RzDGOhmlwLxI92vudyvCjEEG5ncbBl0NmHSiQsdL5xqhQDtFJZV9CiE1Bc9oGSJA Gs+JPA1lJ8eKQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PWvQJ2gj4z9rxN; Wed, 8 Mar 2023 15:12:08 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:257539 Archived-At: Jean Louis writes: > * Ihor Radchenko [2023-03-07 16:49]: >> The problem with Gnus manual though is that the number of jokes in it is >> huge. And it appears that jokes involving sensitive topics are not >> occasional. > > Statements are too hypothetical, they are making the problem, creating > the problem where there was none in reality. > > And participants, IMHO, are acting highly hypothetically, trying to > judge public opinion without really asking public. My statement is based on a concrete person complaining about too many inappropriate jokes. I also listed the specific jokes in question. The idea of asking general public has been rejected (see my earlier message about running a poll). Po Lu argued that such a poll will represent people overreacting to the jokes disproportionally (they will tend to participate in the poll more). So, I tried to fall back to the GNU policy. Which, IMHO should be slightly clarified. The part about what "occasional joke" refers to. > Before deciding which joke is appropriate or not or what shall be > removed, one shall ask minimum of 1000 public members. And I believe > participants don't have resources for that, but many like to act as > "public relation officers" by knowing it all how some people would > feel. We have. The previous https://emacssurvey.org/ generated over 1000 replies. But see Po Lu's concern. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at