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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 605eb87f32c07a1dcbde127925066255; Tue, 30 May 2023 13:01:27 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Gregory Heytings's message of "Mon, 29 May 2023 22:05:29 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21495 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.186.204; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic310-23.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306408 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: > The mistake is that those who care about software freedom can easily > check whether a program incorporates non-free code, _without_ > thoroughly studying that program. > > There are at least two options to do that, which were already > mentioned upthread: (1) running "cargo tree -f '{l}'", which will > display the license of each of the dependencies of the program, > recursively (that option works out of the box), and (2) installing a > plugin for cargo, named "cargo deny", which is itself free software, > and with which you can check, again recursively, whether all the > dependencies of a program are free (more precisely: have a license > that is present in the list of licenses you have chosen to allow). Since that plug in is not included in a default installation of Cargo, it is still unacceptable. And displaying each license of each package in a deep dependency tree counts as ``studying'' in my book. In fact, it should not be possible to install non-free software by any means presented by the package manager; using sources which are enabled by default or mentioned in its documentation, for example: Debian does not enable their `non-free' repository by default, but does provide instructions telling you how to do so. FSF-approved GNU distributions do neither. > I'm not subscribed to that mailing list, which AFAIK is an internal > mailing list with restricted access. AFAIK, the GNU project does not make public internal policy discussions.