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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309595 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >>> Why? If the NonGNU people are "too cool for school" after having been >>> invited to GNU, why should the GNU project make even more special >>> accomodations for them? Not up to me to decide anyway. >> >> Mainly because this will affect users, not the maintainer.=20=20 >> [...] >> Also, I don't see a reason to provoke the Clojure-mode maintainers. I >> disagree with their reasoning and fear they have been misinformed, but >> the best way to remedy situations like these is to be understanding and >> prove ourselves to be cooperative by example (IMO). > > You seem to be under the misguided impression that my proposal is meant > to bother, provoke or help change the minds of the NonGNU Clojure > maintainers? It's not. > > I simply think they shouldn't have a say in how the Emacs project > answers Richard's original request of a Clojure editing mode in Emacs > propoer. IMHO that is disproportionately combative. Regardless of whether clojure-mode maintainers contribute to core and/or GNU ELPA, they contribute to Emacs's continued success by serving their users's needs and keeping these users invested in Emacs. I think they deserve the courtesy of not encroaching if alternatives can be found; I second Philip's assessment above. > As to naming, it's not my call, so let's have Richard chime in. > clojure-mode, newclojure-mode, etc, I personally don't care, since I'm > not a Clojure user. My 2=C2=A2, as a passive observer, not a Clojure programmer either, whose only interests lie in (a) alienating as few people as possible (b) getting dopamine hits from finding specks of consistency amidst chaos: * "lisp-clojure-mode", following other "FAMILY-DIALECT-mode" examples like "makefile-gmake-mode", * no specific name (keep the name from the inherited mode, lisp-data-mode in your example), just a mode-line hint, following other "FAMILY[DIALECT]" examples like sh-script and "Shell-script[bash]".