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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID cda95a2d294860ff3d19510960c8ebe0; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 01:55:21 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2024 19:10:18 +0200") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22046 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.199; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic301-30.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315402 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > There is a particular advantage for optional features being in ELPA: > people can browse it and search the list of keywords. It serves as a > tool for discovery for many. > > When the package is in the core, it doesn't appear in any of similar > structured lists, you really have to hunt around for discover those > features. Such arguments can only be evaluated in the abstract, whereas I have one concrete example of a counterproductive effect of ELPA at hand: adaptive-wrap. And several more I have observed anecdotally but have never experienced myself. > That's incorrect. > > And we also have the example of the popular open source text editor > (which is dominating the rating on stackoverflow, etc) which puts a > lot of language features in the packages' repository. We are miscommunicating. adaptive-wrap is decidedly not a language feature, it is a text editing feature, such as is supposed to be the part and parcel of Emacs. Thanks for your input, but I'm not convinced and this collection of largely irrelevant information will not affect the installation of adaptive-wrap.