From: "Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Insight into the mystery hangs
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2024 08:52:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <871q9gg5sp.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <868r3psv2s.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:52:59 +0200")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
>> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2024 16:37:37 -0500 (EST)
>>
>> However. Emacs is not entirely off the hook here. When I'm not under
>> deadline pressure I will file a bug with a title something like
>> "With debug-on-quit enabled, Emacs does not reliably raise a debug
>> trace on interrupt of call-process"
>
> Isn't that call issued from the mode-line display? If so, that is
> done from redisplay, and redisplay cannot enter debugger, so it
> catches all errors. If you want to produce Lisp backtraces from Lisp
> code called by redisplay, you need to use the facilities documented in
> the node "Debugging Redisplay" in the ELisp Reference manual.
Tangential, not so much about debugging errors during redisplay, than
merely noticing them: I do periodically forget that these errors are
caught, so every couple of months I find myself frowning at code
(font-locking, usually) that misbehaves yet fails to throw an error for
about five minutes, before remembering to check *Messages* for any
"Error during redisplay".
Couple of questions:
1. "For Science", I just did…
(setq mode-line-format '(:eval (error "argh")))
… and I am surprised that this *Messages* diagnostic…
> Error during redisplay: (eval (error "argh") t) signaled (error "argh")
… never seems to make its way to the echo area? It's a small thing
(I'll probably have *Messages* open when debugging so I'll notice
eventually) but it is somewhat surprising that these warnings can
pile up in *Messages* yet the echo area remains blank.
2. It's neat that…
(setq mode-line-format '("foo " (:eval (error "argh")) " bar"))
… will be "robust" enough to display "foo bar" in the mode-line;
combined with the lack of echo-area reporting it does make it hard to
ever know something went wrong though. Might it make sense to (have
an option to) substitute a signaling :eval form with some "[redisplay
error]" placeholder?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-02-13 7:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-02-11 21:37 Insight into the mystery hangs Eric S. Raymond
2024-02-12 12:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-12 12:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-12 18:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2024-02-12 19:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-13 7:52 ` Kévin Le Gouguec [this message]
2024-02-13 12:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-13 23:05 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
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