From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Submitting Dslide to Non-GNU ELPA Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 05:55:58 +0000 Message-ID: <871q4qrg9d.fsf@posteo.net> References: <874j9o599o.fsf@posteo.net> <87zfrf4uaw.fsf@posteo.net> <87v8234i24.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31819"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Psionic K Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 21 07:56:57 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sKXGb-00084W-1Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 07:56:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sKXFv-0005mv-Ig; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 01:56:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sKXFl-0005k9-Vm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 01:56:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sKXFj-0000tT-4n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 01:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7525240028 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 07:55:59 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1718949359; bh=03v93/JXmeMl48cufqUQv64jYqSCth7tAtFOj0c18zw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:OpenPGP:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type:From; b=DQrdAjUkcW7/TIFwxTYQq9bvLSloS5tQzu3oOqwV3FCX64QsxHFuALr4gC+VF4uVB 5ov/8SM799okd21OB/hUfnadDbqHvhsfuTa55AZi6+TPtALVmytlFnEtF0HFT1MfMZ 1VPlrfqyRGbk8ahDrBGxDAiO94p1dbGUpsB7OqJO1Pw1gdB6Tg1xx80+6XpHCLGk8v gzZh1gA4O8vn4gqqRcyOzXMbBQiA1XzeAFcrrb3lef+NNptuu23DGfKFFkCSxW8wf3 gf3VuwEvSdV5APmdTH2YuNrvb4NeTlGCHVjYwEKwIOUcZMrxpbktWSltzTSd3yEO/c 1ey1a6/3DmX8g== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4W566R0QKJz9rxG; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 07:55:58 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Psionic K.'s message of "Fri, 21 Jun 2024 08:34:52 +0900") OpenPGP: id=7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66; url="https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66"; preference=signencrypt Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320353 Archived-At: Psionic K writes: >> My main concern is then to have some explanation for people not familiar >> with either package (like me) to briefly summarise the main differences >> between your package and org-tree-slide, making it easier to decide >> which of the two one wants to use. > > In two sentences: Dslide eclipses org-tree-slide, adding multiple > forms of incremental & composing display, integration with arbitrary > buffers, extensible actions, and emphasis on programmability via org > babel integration. Only use org-tree-slide if you need its maturity > or are a non-graphical Emacs user. OK, if you haven't already, then you should add a comment like this to the commentary section in the main file of your package. > The initial premise of both packages is to create reasonable > presentations directly from org files, skipping the export step and > achieving a good bang-for-buck solution for any regularly held > meetings, such as stand-ups and quick internal meetings where spending > time on something fancy communicates the wrong priorities. However, > the following points will make it clear that the capabilities and > design of dslide go far beyond the initial premise, resulting in a > tool that is additionally useful for tech demos, authoring videos, or > giving more polished talks in front of large audiences. > > - At times, one may want to use sub-headings for organizing > information on the screen. Org tree slide offers few options to > control the inclusion of sub-headings, and they affect the entire > presentation. Dslide is instead configured per-heading. > - Dslide uses line-height rather than line animation, enabling > smoother transitions and easing > - Dslide can present information incrementally, following the order in > which a talk is conducted > - Dslide hides the org markup used in its configuration and can also > hide babel blocks and comments, reusing normal org mode configuration > conventions > - Dslide uses an indirect buffer to avoid polluting the org mode > buffer with various presentation configurations and leftover state > - Dslide has the capability to simultaneously "follow" the slides in > the base buffer, updating the point and scroll position in another > frame, enabling the presenter to read their hidden comments and see > which actions are next while the audience sees the clean presentation. > - Dslide does not rely on the point to control navigation, making it > more reliable for live note taking when conducting an interactive > meeting > - Dslide's keymap is designed to be appropriate for a hardware cueing > device or use of no more than arrow keys, preferably only 3 buttons. > - Dslide's contents view is extremely clear and overloads the > presentation keymap commands, respecting the 3-button interface limit > - Dslide has several built-in "actions" that can consume org mode > information, such as image links. The image action can display image > buffers full-frame as slides. These actions also handle nuisance work > such as turning on inline images. > - Org babel blocks can be integrated as steps via an action, enabling > scripting of entirely custom behaviors in the middle of a > presentation. > - Custom actions can be created and even declared in the > presentation's own babel blocks for use in later slides. > > It is the babel integration that makes dslide uniquely well-suited > among software typically used by engineers to conduct presentations > that are fully integrated with their normal programming tools, > enabling tech demos to be orchestrated within a reasonable > presentation. > > At this time, dslide does everything that org-tree-slide does except > filtering headings. Even when only using the basic features, Dslide's > breadcrumbs are more reliable and its contents view is superior. What > remains is maturity. Org tree slide works better on non-graphical > displays, but in time, especially if non-graphical terminal users > speak up, these issues will be polished off. Except for maturity, > there is no use case where org-tree-slide remains favorable. Dslide > is vastly more capable while also doing everything org tree slide does > better. -- Philip Kaludercic on peregrine