Re: 29.2: (void-function batch-update-autoloads)

[Uwe Brauer via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>]

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>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 10:52:19 +0200
>> From:  Uwe Brauer via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
>> 
>> I am one of the maintainers of matlab-emacs, and after upgrading my
>> system (and emacs) I realised that  the function batch-update-autoloads
>> is gone (which we need for our compilation/installation), sigh [1]

> It is not "gone", it was obsoleted.  You can still find autoloads.el
> in lisp/obsolete.

>> I run grep over my local cloned emacs repository but cannot find any
>> information of how this function can be replaced.

> You can still use that function, if you want, after loading its
> package from lisp/obsolete.  If you want to migrate to the new
> facility, the function to use is loaddefs-generate--emacs-batch,
> defined in the new file lisp/emacs-lisp/loaddefs-gen.el.  

Thanks, but it still does not work, the relevant line of the Makefile now reads
,----
| 
| EMACS=/usr/local/bin/emacs
| EMACSFLAGS=-batch --no-site-file --eval '(setq debug-on-error t)'
| 
| autoloads: 
| 	$(EMACS) $(EMACSFLAGS) $(addprefix -L ,$(LOADPATH)) --eval '(setq generated-autoload-file "$(abspath $(LOADDEFS))")' -f loaddefs-generate--emacs-batch $(abspath $(LOADDIRS))
`----



Using 29.2, but I receive still, 
(void-function loaddefs-generate--emacs-batch)

> (You could have found this out yourself by looking at lisp/Makefile in
> the Emacs Git repository, where we have the commands to generate
> loaddefs.el at Emacs build time.)

Right, but see above.

>> Footnotes:
>> [1]  (I know it has a lot of benefits to change function and variable
>> names, but for those who don't participate in such discussion such
>> changes cause a bit of inconveniences  to say the least)

> You are being unfair to us.  We never remove stuff entirely before
> keeping it deprecated enough years to let everyone adapt. 

I have to admit, and that might be a very personal defect of mine, I do
not pay much attention to the question of a function/variable being
deprecated, since it just works, and I am sure I am not alone with this attitude.

> Knowing Emacs as much as you do, I'd expect you to trust us not to do
> anything foolish or user-unfriendly, but instead assume that the stuff
> you are looking for is present somewhere, and you just don't look for
> it close enough.

Of course, I highly appreciate the work especially you do, and I enjoy
using Emacs.

That being said I just wished, that there would be a more centralised
file or directory, where obsolete functions and variables were listed.




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