From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-30 baaf97ce1a1: ; Fix some ungrammatical uses of "allows to" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 22:07:02 +0100 Message-ID: <871q25afex.fsf@zephyr.silentflame.com> References: <86h6b1ewop.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5gtal45.fsf@zephyr.silentflame.com> <86bk19eryz.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39577"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 30 23:07:54 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sk8qY-000A5a-73 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 23:07:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk8pu-0002rs-PH; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 17:07:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk8ps-0002rV-QK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 17:07:12 -0400 Original-Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk8pr-0007tj-E9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 17:07:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=cTNlYTZrnGvlHDzs/0Va5TXa/vEKyofoSQDE73/gRYXCFdKXWLtQJfXa9nabXCXz8U7zzdp3eH5cBdNcwFctQoKD5YjYMjpbtrAY4d14jr8wJXPzFFH6YYT2u9JyECgSk3zf6GL7AQyH7VRaCda4FUsjwCVbco+sGPy9rnG/EXVMqHZLsIuS1NdlbyBBUfHVFS1iWYhmVkyX0WSmmAaCFjtkoX8FPXcRp47sy0CglNX/cPtM8yudMzn3hsIHkeuD+3pH0mD6a8nG1V/tc/dysW1TudtP7DWy4l5+hlZVnDlzgn6qKpOy1mXH9Wt8vYsX+oQaOqgOlxw9+YeW62uJUg==; s=purelymail3; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=gZpbY0zG6lLwDaboMMgFxgwIiz99VfRsWrx3TGTo4Mc=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=hWRi+/m9luzWKWgL+3CDtJC/pyy7uGejMhVs5SqipVyUTrWwYJZT45UbuCNX/9T2qnVCpLWnytyoPvtWmHwJLCp9SPCL6RL5PKjot1R3GXBRQ96I/77x1ZaSipJVAWNcj0nvX4nSMSMjkvz4+SH5++VgAO/CS9dLgpD1/284FRRKVH9uKsn9MG4tExOu4I4ZRhVr8f2hxhy8E81O2ETcWckNhMp0BX8JL8gXWsPaqy/HgQcX03ewu62k7NqPxcqEs/Zh+oK2YE2Q6Z71n+VcmoAeCK2Mu3QxKqZz0ekDe1hMb8aAKdjppErG4JH3lldqnJ8z1IdgFpAKhQFHYeV2AQ==; s=purelymail3; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=gZpbY0zG6lLwDaboMMgFxgwIiz99VfRsWrx3TGTo4Mc=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id 239131764; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Fri, 30 Aug 2024 21:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by zephyr.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C89C7940F37; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 22:07:02 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <86bk19eryz.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 30 Aug 2024 22:22:12 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=34.202.193.197; envelope-from=spwhitton@spwhitton.name; helo=sendmail.purelymail.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323219 Archived-At: Hello, On Fri 30 Aug 2024 at 10:22pm +03, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Sean Whitton >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 20:03:54 +0100 >> >> Anyway, it does indeed mark out writing as coming from a non-native user >> of English. You see it relatively commonly in software contexts, >> probably because lots of programmers are not native English speakers. > > In technical texts these uses of "allows" omit "one" or "you", so the > text really says "SOMETHING allows _you_ to do whatever", but omits > "you". Changing this mechanically to "allows doing" in many cases > makes the text much harder to read, a mouthful, really. It's not always 'one' or 'you'. The first variable allows distinguishing all three cases. Here it is the code, not any human, that is to do the distinguishing. -- Sean Whitton