From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: [21.1.90]: point put at point-min in *compilation* Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:02:12 +0100 Message-ID: <86zludgk4b.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702CD2B19@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702D254AF@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <86y79yrrdz.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702DB6689@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702DB6BDD@maileube01.misys.global.ad> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1202378608 3689 80.91.229.12 (7 Feb 2008 10:03:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA To: "Marshall\, Simon" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 07 11:03:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JN3bU-0001Pt-F8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:03:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JN3b2-0004kD-3M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:03:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JN3aH-0004YQ-7R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:02:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JN3aF-0004Xf-Ap for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:02:20 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JN3aF-0004XW-4r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:02:19 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN3aE-0007Lr-Mk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:02:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JN3aE-0007xD-Er for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:02:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN3aB-0007Ky-92 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:02:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.quinscape.de ([212.29.44.217]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN3aA-0007KX-P6 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:02:15 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 30819 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 10:02:12 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Feb 2008 10:02:12 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6A1B98FABB; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:02:12 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702DB6BDD@maileube01.misys.global.ad> (Simon Marshall's message of "Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:55:07 -0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.6.0.62; VDF: 7.0.2.102; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:88417 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:20922 Archived-At: "Marshall, Simon" writes: >> But scrolling still has to occur for you to be able to see if > there's >> anything to read. >> >> That is not true. Starting a new compilation erases the buffer. >> So you will certainly see that the output has started. Then you >> can read it at your own pace. > > Yes, you can read it by scrolling through it - that was my point above. > With a default of nil you still _always_ have to scroll yourself, > whereas with a default of t you _only_ have to scroll yourself if (a) > you see there is something worth reading and (b) the compilation hasn't > stopped anyway because that something was a fatal error. And with t you > get the visual cue of progress status. > >> If it scrolls automatically I often can't even SEE if there is >> something I want to look at. And supposing I do see, by the time >> I can get my hands on the keyboard to type anything, a lot more >> output will usually have come out. > > Iff you think you might have missed something, then you can scroll > back. Uh no, you can't. By the time you found the Prior button, twenty pages of material will have gone by. -- David Kastrup