From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:08:52 +0200 Message-ID: <86zlojqx1n.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <487A783B.7060603@gmail.com> <20080713232635.GD1076@muc.de> <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20080714204242.GH6711@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080714223059.GG3445@muc.de> <20080715013845.GX3675@rzlab.ucr.edu> <20080715101519.GA2100@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216116732 17181 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2008 10:12:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 15 12:13:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIhWe-0006MZ-DG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:12:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59448 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIhVk-0001hb-6u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:11:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIhSv-0000zh-9m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:09:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIhSr-0000yA-W1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:08:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36467 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIhSq-0000y1-KB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:08:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.quinscape.de ([212.29.44.217]:50242) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIhSp-0007rk-80 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:08:55 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 21573 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 10:08:52 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by quinx.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jul 2008 10:08:51 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1397A8F047; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:08:52 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20080715101519.GA2100@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:15:19 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.8.0.64; VDF: 7.0.5.115; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100732 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > I'm trying to picture where this might be useful. Typically, an Emacs > user on his home box is going to have exactly one version of (X)Emacs > installed, so the complexity will be a burden. An Emacs hacker, such > as all of us, is going to have several, or even many, (X)Emacs > versions hanging around, in his own custom built directory structure, > and will probably have built these from source. An Emacs package hacker will have to have several versions of Emacs as well as XEmacs installed. Although he will not really need them integrated with the system. On multi-user systems, different Emacsen might be prefered by different people. > I can't see Debian's complexity being useful for either of these > (though I may be wrong). A sysadmin administering a mutil-hacker > development shop would surely find it useful. Probably. But it should still be sufficient to provide packages just for a single version of Emacs, and to provide XEmacs packages completely separately (Sumo alone calls for that). -- David Kastrup