From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 02:18:24 +0200 Message-ID: <86zjazyoxb.fsf@yandex.ru> References: <877fy77zhp.fsf@web.de> <87k326d4ww.fsf@gmail.com> <877fy6rp2o.fsf@web.de> <548230FB.40307@dancol.org> <5482C872.5010304@dancol.org> <5483C537.3010707@dancol.org> <54840719.5080209@dancol.org> <87ppbv4bdt.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <5484C780.3080902@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417997929 511 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 00:18:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 00:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Michael Heerdegen , Daniel Colascione , Nic Ferrier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 01:18:42 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxm2E-0004P4-4u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 01:18:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59625 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxm2D-0005jR-Jy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 19:18:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37121) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxm25-0005iJ-LL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 19:18:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxm1z-0007HV-S5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 19:18:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x231.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::231]:54001) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxm1z-0007HO-LD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 19:18:27 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id n12so4963364wgh.22 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:18:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=ywaHYigw0DEb/vX6uHwmaO29rAoMijmHgrgdJRRhQug=; b=WsIRFRTFQYsECAKatcOWjIYt0iHJSkPeJ2ol/WzQgZa3gqIszDB6t3CCEC7otjzbey l9N4bYCOQyieLiz0gEfP02DlhYIi1hvbBdDvI5fOYGGeelQAot6y9UhFmSdowuLmN49F v1JTsKdQtGUSfpnE+9osp4t4IRSmk6E0eQ9RYv1qtBd2FzR2IvBNK8ymI4El0P+1DQuw cU1twBXMqpYiO41IC0Hx7YaYH7ZHC6IY8zEXL1xz5eMIWjkqnhLvYlVsSJT9kwc/1oY9 h1NkBI2Tna2pJbcOMmR8iUJJ/jabgVsuptSd7yvnMQjjE5TqG4wTb/EEyYWRjbawYObA f8Ng== X-Received: by 10.194.59.17 with SMTP id v17mr41744501wjq.130.1417997907080; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:18:27 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from axl ([82.102.93.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs2sm37318828wjc.43.2014.12.07.16.18.26 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:18:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 07 Dec 2014 18:31:01 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.51 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179332 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Common Lisp solved this problem 20 years ago with namespaces. We should >> just implement CL namespaces instead of trying to shoehorn Smalltalk >> into the language. Would you accept a CL packages implementation? > > Last time this was discussed (a year ago, maybe?), we neded turning it > down, mostly because `M-x grep RET' can't be used for find-definition > and find-uses. Could we revisit this discussion, maybe? Having a Lisp VM at the core of Emacs means we don't need to use grep for find-definition. And find-uses can be implemented in a lisp-only namespace-aware searching function. Clojure (a rather popular Lisp) uses what sounds to be a similar packages system, and the popular editing environments implement both above operations without considerable problems.