From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 06:42:06 +0200 Message-ID: <86zhnbdu1t.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="78525"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 06:53:41 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOgf-000KGo-1T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 06:53:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36254 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOge-0003RN-20 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 00:53:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41573) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOgG-0003Lz-2I for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 00:53:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOYL-0003kd-PN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 00:45:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=59108 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOYL-0003k6-Ix for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 00:45:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOYI-000Ai8-4K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 06:45:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:2yHrlMkR3QzkdBCdtTHS1GW2Vso= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120626 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> We are far from becoming a toxic community, >> but new/different ideas are not really very >> welcome and sometimes the arguments are like >> "it has always been like that", "old users >> don't want that change". > > Really? You've just went through a process of > proposing and implementing a new feature -- > did you feel your idea was "not really > welcome"? > >> The conservative attitude in emacs >> development group (apart from the technical >> obstacles like the workflow and the >> paperwork and so on) gives the idea of >> a closed environment (that actually it is >> from the development point of view because >> we are like frozen in the past) where only >> very experts are welcome (that's the vision >> people have from outside) so very few melpa >> developers are really interested to face all >> those issues to contribute. > > Is this your experience from implementing the > fill-column indicator? If so, how do you > explain that you, as a relative non-expert, > were welcome in that case? I think the tone of this very reply confirms he is right. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal