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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [External] : Emacs website, Lisp, and other
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:10:35 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86zfpe6z2s.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bk1ub98z.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Thu,  15 Aug 2024 08:17:16 +0200)

> From: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:17:16 +0200
> 
> If you do this on the source:
> 
>   awk '/\(defun /{print $2}' **/*.el | sort -u | wc -l
> 
> you get: 45 865
> 
> This is beyond me. How can we, in 2024, with Emacs development
> going on for 39 years, 4 months and 26 days, so far resulting
> in the writing of possibly _forty-five thousand_ Elisp
> functions - this is excluding ELPA, MELPA, and local code -
> how can we ask for basic math functions, functions that give
> you every word or sentence in a paragraph, and so on?

We have everything that we need (and if we need more, we add after
examining and analyzing the needs).  Emacs is not an exercise in
providing set of APIs that satisfies some academical notion of
"completeness", especially not when what's "complete" is judged from a
POV that has very little to do with the actual design and purpose of
Emacs (as opposed to some GP programing language or library).

IOW, if an API is not in the set, it is rarely if ever needed in
Emacs.  If you claim that a function to give you every word in a
sentence or a paragraph is needed, you need to justify that by
describing the relevant real-life use cases that make sense for Emacs
jobs.

> Well, one thing is sure, if it really is that bad, let's not
> blame Lisp.

Indeed.  In fact, there's no "blame" here at all, IMNSHO.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-15  7:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-04 22:27 Emacs website, Lisp, and other Jeremy Bryant
2024-08-04 22:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05  4:29   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05  9:23   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 10:43     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 11:37       ` divya
2024-08-05 11:56         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 11:45       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 12:56       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 13:16         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 14:46           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 21:28             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 14:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 12:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 16:27       ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 16:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 17:03           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 18:32             ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 20:20               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-06  7:14                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-06  7:21                   ` Org mode API (was: 10 problems with Elisp, part 10) Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-06  8:23                     ` Org mode API Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-10 16:55                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-06 11:54                   ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-08  2:01                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-09 22:39                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-13  1:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-09 22:46                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-10  5:41                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-10  6:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13  1:28                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-05 18:58             ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 19:30               ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 20:02                 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-08  2:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-06  2:28                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 17:13         ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Yuri Khan
2024-08-06  6:39         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-06 11:16         ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-06 22:08           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:25         ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 21:13           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 21:36             ` Jean Louis
2024-10-25  6:44               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-28  3:27                 ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Joel Reicher
2024-10-24  6:48             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-05 20:03   ` Emacs website, Lisp, and other Alan Mackenzie
2024-08-05 21:07     ` Christopher Dimech via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-06  7:42     ` Jean Louis
2024-08-06 11:14     ` Immanuel Litzroth
2024-08-05 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-06 19:09   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-08-06 19:50     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-06 20:35       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-08-06 22:10         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-06 22:48           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-06 23:09           ` Drew Adams
2024-08-06 23:21             ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-07  1:09               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-23 19:45             ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 20:25               ` Drew Adams via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-10-23 20:50                 ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 21:21                   ` Drew Adams via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-10-23 21:37                     ` Jean Louis
2024-08-06 22:26         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-07  5:45         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  3:53           ` Madhu
2024-08-15  5:50             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  9:17               ` Madhu
2024-08-15  9:57                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:48                   ` Jean Louis
2024-08-15  6:17             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  7:10               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-08-15  8:06               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  9:27                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15 16:03                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:52               ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 19:41       ` Jean Louis
2024-10-24  6:39         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-07 11:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-07 12:03       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-08-07 12:16       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-08  2:01         ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-08  6:51           ` Joel Reicher
2024-08-07 12:31     ` Christopher Dimech

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