From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:55:17 +0200 Message-ID: <86y329m4oa.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87pnnn4z11.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <877e9uq3qn.fsf@fliptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <20190609135046.GA14478@tuxteam.de> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="193166"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: Henk Pelgrom , Ingemar Holmgren To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 11 00:57:19 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1haTE6-000o6n-Cl for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:57:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50193 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1haTE5-0006ED-7H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:57:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51211) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1haTCV-0004mJ-L1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:55:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1haTCT-0007Qc-9S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:55:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=40004 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1haTCP-0007M1-9F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:55:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1haTCF-000m7K-Fr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:55:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:JKjxcCikv1biEgwJjn2qasoxTa8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120897 Archived-At: tomas wrote: > Seconded. Emanuel sometimes manages to > overflow my input buffer, then I have to > flush it (sorry, Emanuel!), but I rather > prefer a less sterile list. No apologizes or explanation needed... But: where have all the people gone that used to ask questions about Emacs here, often several, every day? If people don't do that, nothing good will ever happen, I'm afraid, and it doesn't matter what _we_ do. Either they do that (look for Emacs support) somewhere else or there _are_ less people coming to Emacs today than say 10 years ago. (I say this (10) because this is when came, roughly, and I think I found this list/newsgroup all but instantly.) I have no data to back this up, and I did the so called ranting even then, perhaps even more, but even so, I think I was a much, much bigger help to "the OP" then than I am today :( Which besides the depressing aspect is an irony, as then I knew much less! And, before anyone points it out, I said a couple of things, people said a couple of things about newcomers etc etc - and while those couple of things might be true, or have some truth to them, who knows, really? - regardless of whatever, I don't think for a minute *that* is the explanation! People don't come here as they used to to because either they find support somewhere else, or the user base has decreased. Maybe the SX site, which (almost) everyone was against when it appeared, but I said it would be great, has come back to haunt me - personally - as altho I was right, I'd never join the artificial perfection "reputation hunt" myself. I very much don't like it and consider it "reducing", if that is idiomatic English? (Doesn't sound like it.) I already know my reputation is ambiguous and I have no problem with that. It's just who I am. And I don't want to join some competition and have people reward or punish me or even edit my stuff if it doesn't conform to the "computer people should behave like computers" paradigm. I just want to be me, here as well as everywhere else! OK, now I've talked so much about myself in the last couple of paragraphs that I hope you still remember what I wrote even earlier, that I don't think this is about us. Because I don't think it works like that. The Third International (the ML, Communist one) set up an intricate net of militant parties all over the world. Number of successful revolutions: 0 -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal