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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, jonas@bernoul.li, samologist@gmail.com,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com,
	visuweshm@gmail.com, raman@google.com
Subject: Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?))
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 14:25:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86y1076h23.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87cyhk9icj.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sun, 22 Dec 2024 09:29:00 +0000)

> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
> Cc: jonas@bernoul.li, samologist@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
>  karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com, visuweshm@gmail.com, raman@google.com
> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 09:29:00 +0000
> 
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >   > I guess that Emacsspeak already provides some good defaults for blind,
> >   > thanks to T.V. Raman's continuous dedication.
> >   > But maybe we want things to be available in vanilla Emacs as well?
> >
> > It depends what "available" means.  If it means having a package
> > that would install suitable different bindings and settings, it sounds
> > fine in principle -- but does Raman want to maintain them that way?
> > It might be a bigger change for him than for users of his work.
> 
> No, I did not mean a package. I meant support and maintenance in Emacs
> core. IMHO, these features are too important for third-party package that
> might be abandoned.
> 
> The initial input about alternative defaults may come from Raman,
> Samuel, or other interested users who had to customize Emacs in similar
> ways.
> 
> >                                                                       Not
> >   > just for blind, but also settings with large font sizes.
> >
> > I have a feeling that the changes for large fonts would be totally
> > dissimilar to those for screen reading.  I'm not an expert, though,
> > bu does anyone actually _know_ whether they have much in common?
> 
> I do not think that they have much in common in terms of specific
> changes to Emacs defaults. What might be common is the way to enable
> accessibility defaults - I have specific API design in mind, but do not
> want to discuss it before I see how the general idea is received.

We do want to have accessibility features in Emacs, if that is what
you are asking.  (In some cases we already do: e.g., see the
Windows-specific variable w32-use-visible-system-caret, which aims
specifically at aiding screen-reading software.)



  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-22 12:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-14 12:36 Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu? Tor-björn Claesson
2024-09-15 14:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-09-17 12:18   ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-09-22 12:50     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-09-24 10:07       ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-12 17:31         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-22  7:23           ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-22 17:58             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-24 14:18             ` Jonas Bernoulli
2024-10-24 17:32               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-26 11:45                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2024-10-27  8:09                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-27  9:17                     ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-29  4:58                   ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-29 18:55                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-30  5:37                       ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-30 18:43                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-31 18:55                           ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-31 19:05                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-31 20:47                               ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-01  8:27                                 ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-01 17:08                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-02 19:04                                     ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-02 19:21                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-02 21:37                                         ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-03  7:40                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-05 10:07                                             ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-09 14:08                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-10 16:33                                                 ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-10 16:41                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-11 10:03                                                     ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-11 15:52                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-12  9:26                                                         ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-12 18:03                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
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2024-11-17  9:30                                                                   ` Fwd: " Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-23 16:41                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-25 17:49                                                                       ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-10 19:11                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-11  9:57                                                                           ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-11 10:05                                                                           ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-13 18:41                                                                             ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-13 22:09                                                                               ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? Gabriel Santos
2024-12-14  9:57                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:59                                                                                   ` Gabriel Santos
2024-12-14 13:10                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-13 22:57                                                                               ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-14  9:59                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 14:30                                                                                   ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-14  1:16                                                                               ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Panayotis Manganaris
2024-12-14 10:08                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-15 21:20                                                                                   ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-16 17:54                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-17  2:08                                                                                       ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-17  2:24                                                                                         ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-17 18:04                                                                                         ` Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-18  7:19                                                                                           ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-18 10:52                                                                                             ` Jonas Bernoulli
2024-12-19  1:42                                                                                               ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-19  1:50                                                                                               ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-18 17:59                                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-19  1:48                                                                                               ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-19 18:04                                                                                                 ` [FR] Allow SPC to scroll todo/tag selection menu - for users with huge accessible fonts (was: Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?))) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-20  6:55                                                                                                   ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-18 10:47                                                                                         ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Jonas Bernoulli
2024-12-19 17:42                                                                                           ` Internal variables and symbols in transient (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-19 18:11                                                                                           ` Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? " Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-22  4:49                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-22  9:29                                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-22 12:25                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-12-22 18:17                                                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-22 18:54                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-14 10:50                                                                               ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? indieterminacy
2024-12-14 17:53                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-15  9:07                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-16  7:46                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-16 18:06                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-22 12:16                                                                                       ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-15 18:23                                                                               ` Kierin Bell
2024-12-17 17:23                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko

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