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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100483 Archived-At: On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:54:35 +0300 Juri Linkov wrote: >> I can do >> >> (insert (compose-chars ?а ?̀)) >> >> but if I try the resulting character in quail-define-rules, it's not a >> valid character read sequence, being two characters. I also can't >> specify the `compose-chars' function call or a string there. How do I >> specify a combined character in the quail rules? JL> Maybe something like this should work ("a`" "а̀") ("a'" "а́"). It doesn't, according to the docs and it's the first thing I tried :) JL> I think we should use ` and ' as the postfix character, like JL> latin-postfix vs latin-prefix. OK, I changed things accordingly and will commit to CVS when the problem above with doing combining characters in Quail is resolved. >> Can we have `' generate acute accents and ` generate grave? >> That's a decent compromise since accented letters are rarely needed. JL> Since ` and ' are more important for accented letters, we should JL> find an alternative key for ь. I often see it written as q or u in manually transliterated text. Maybe // or /q or /u would work? The corresponding /? /Q /U would uppercase it. >> The goal is convenience for the users, so I hope we don't build a large >> prefix tree. Just the limited repertoire here is already hard to >> remember. JL> I now noticed that I can't type a pair of double quotes in cyrillic-translit JL> that I often do. Maybe this rule should use the slash prefix key /"" -> “ ? OK, it's more consistent that way. Let's eliminate all but << and >> as non-prefixed special characters for consistency (those two are too convenient IMO). So we'd have: /- -> – /-- -> — /. -> • ("big fat dot") /.. -> … (or whatever is appropriate for this one) /1{2,4,8,16,32,64} -> 1/fraction (the slash moves to the beginning) /c -> copyright /tm -> trademark /rub-> ruble /kop-> kopek /lev-> leva (л AFAIK) /sto-> stotinki (с AFAIK) /e -> euro /ce -> cents /pa -> § /`` -> ” (high 9 double quote) /` -> ’ (high 9 single quote) /, -> ‚ (low 9 single quote) /,, -> „ (low 9 double quote) /' -> ‘ (high 6 single quote) /'' -> “ (high 6 double quote) /& -> § /ab -> § /# -> № /no -> № << -> « >> -> »