From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:39:29 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86wsj66sby.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <0ded5ecd-f5f6-4a8e-9d19-f61bf0401022@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217253100 11671 80.91.229.12 (28 Jul 2008 13:51:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:51:40 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 28 15:52:30 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNT9F-0001ue-Qf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:52:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50290 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNT8L-0000Qd-NG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:29 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!nuzba.szn.dk!pnx.dk!news.schnuerpel.net!news.schnuerpel.eu!news.albasani.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Trace: news.albasani.net Q6FozlPpYKvC8Mnk6Y9yZAKmVrM9ICkZPADnT2IDCI1L9Icd6pbwe1UQar0OK5SuXlFclFNAonbQ7zkUaEA10TFcXz4lg8Hyw5P5TP+FaLlL0MSnbGIpzZNmH87sml6X Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@albasani.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:34:52 +0000 (UTC) X-User-ID: mET1eV6S+ewtsbpF2C4oSqo2ne57sU3pD2bwfc+vAj8= X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Cancel-Lock: sha1:x5f0ppWYY5UUilOHfoAAYGDo5U4= sha1:phV3nIULa6BxZ32Qk6QZ3jvy0zg= User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NNTP-Posting-Host: iRaouqMO5zkxl36FNhAsRuIDNydTEvJktQbiZt7lyTg= Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160639 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55987 Archived-At: On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Xah wrote: X> On Jul 25, 9:41 am, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:55:29 -0700 (PDT)Xah wrote: >> X> But you can run it by typing Alt+x shell-command (shortcut Alt+x !) >> >> Please note that Alt is not the preferred prefix name for Emacs >> purposes. It's Meta, abbreviated M (e.g. M-x), for two reasons: >> >> 1) Meta can be mapped to keys other than Alt >> >> 2) Meta can be invoked with ESC as well, which is very handy in a >> terminal session (I actually use ESC all the time even in a graphical >> session) X> Here're some reason i think emacs should adopt the Alt+‹key› or X> Alt-‹key› notation throughout its documentation. X> • The Alt+‹key› or Alt-‹key› notation is universal among Windows and X> Linux. X> It was one of the modifier key on obsolete keyboards used by lisp X> machines in the 1980s. Meta is not the name of the key, it's the modifier name in today's Emacs. As I said, the modifier can be bound to any key (sorry I didn't state the terminology clearly originally). Many think this is a plus. I doubt your suggestion will find much support because it would break a convention that goes back (AFAIK) far further than Windows or Linux. You have to consider the *cost* of breaking something like the Meta convention, not just the benefit. But feel free to suggest it through the proper channels as others have mentioned. Ted