From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs.app dev]: issues with NextStep (Cocoa) port: epa-file and frequent crashes Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:52:14 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86wseqf94h.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <06C38EB0-6085-4F17-8205-2777C5B8AA48@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1227736429 22225 80.91.229.12 (26 Nov 2008 21:53:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs App Dev , Emacs Development To: Adrian Robert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 26 22:54:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L5SLA-00038r-QH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:54:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58004 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L5SK1-00059t-41 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:53:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L5SJv-000551-1V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:53:15 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L5SJu-00053J-7W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:53:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56416 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L5SJu-000536-41 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:53:14 -0500 Original-Received: from ip114.208-100-47.static.steadfast.net ([208.100.47.114]:51001 helo=mail.blockstar.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L5SJt-00048c-Mk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:53:13 -0500 Original-Received: from tzlatanov-ubuntu-desktop.jumptrading.com (unknown [38.98.147.130]) by mail.blockstar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042F2A685F1; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:53:16 -0600 (CST) X-Hashcash: 1:20:081126:emacs-devel@gnu.org::jqySnhb5Sdj/Ne4N:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000cgR X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" X-Hashcash: 1:20:081126:adrian.b.robert@gmail.com::5P0cOc2tmvo3pZPF:00000000000000000000000000000000000051yY X-Hashcash: 1:20:081126:emacs-app-dev-@lists.sourceforge.net::aJXoqFLbjtR+/7Ta:000000000000000000000000060ld In-Reply-To: <06C38EB0-6085-4F17-8205-2777C5B8AA48@gmail.com> (Adrian Robert's message of "Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:21:26 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:106211 Archived-At: On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:21:26 -0500 Adrian Robert wrote: >>>> 3) epa-file will frequently refuse to load a GPG-encrypted file the >>>> first time, but will work on retry. ... AR> Does it happen when running emacs-23 on OS X under X11? When you say AR> "Ubuntu", do you mean Emacs.app under GNUstep there, or X11macs? >> X11. AR> OK. In these cases, though it's a pain, it's helpful to test on X11 AR> on OS X, or GNUstep on Linux, to narrow down if it's an OS-related or AR> Cocoa-related bug. I've been using Gnus in the X11 Emacs build on Mac OS X for several weeks now and have not experienced any epa-file GPG errors. They only happen with the Emacs.app Cocoa build from Emacs CVS. You can reproduce them easily: 1) install GPG in your path 2) load epa-file.el 3) C-x C-f /tmp/secret.gpg 4) C-x C-s (to save it); use symmetric encryption 5) kill the buffer 6) C-x C-f /tmp/secret.gpg; enter your passphrase again Step (6) works fairly randomly, maybe 3-4 out of 10 times and usually interleaving success with failure. There's no obvious cause for the error. The X11 build has not crashed for me all this time, so I'm not eager to use Emacs.app on Mac OS X and lose work randomly. How can I help catch these crashes so we can log and understand them? Do we need other Cocoa developers (which I am not)? Thanks Ted