From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: a look at the browser scene & emacs Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:28:45 +0100 Organization: Arcor Message-ID: <86wsbeajz6.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <8358de80-5198-41e5-b4a2-04e681d359d1@p20g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1235558483 9953 80.91.229.12 (25 Feb 2009 10:41:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:41:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 25 11:42:38 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LcHDp-0001eo-T5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:42:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47516 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LcHCV-0003lN-5Y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 05:41:15 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!feedme.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.n-ix.net!noris.net!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool3.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tW++NSOyjToKlSwwLipBpFORkP0= Original-Lines: 50 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2009 11:28:48 CET Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 2a3cd716.newsspool3.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=^n3nURWL\66TQL:hoD@>T?McF=Q^Z^V384Fo<]lROoR1^YC2XCjHcb9fcXMK9:Y\@?CV`H8_`hhQ4MU1ShTid`1>=RDY1`lDni3^K7VOg5K[Z0 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:167057 comp.emacs:97858 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:62361 Archived-At: Xah Lee writes: > News about the browser world > http://www.macworld.com/article/139022/2009/02/safari4firstlook.html?t=232 > > emacs really needs to keep up. > > The IDE idea, from 1990s to 2000, basically reduced emacs market share > from perhaps more than 50% in the early 1990s to maybe 1% today among > professional programers. > > emacs today has lots of problems. Many of the “emacs way”, are > technically inferior. But the nice elisp system holds it back still. > > The way for emacs to advance, is to get more people to use emacs. > Emacs users today are already just the very small clique, half of > which are perhaps over 40. With these small circle of people, every > idea that's not “emacs way” gets stamped out. Or gets adapted to the Emacs way. The result is that people get one consistent tool. > Emacs 22 took a few major step, by having syntax highlighting on by > default, and CUA mode as a option. Emacs 23 took it further, Emacs 23 is not yet finished. > by having cursor move by visual line, and have highlight selection on > by default. I presume that in emacs 24 might have CUA mode on by > default... It quite certainly won't. > but these changes are happening quite late. > The emacs on the mac, in particular Aquamac emacs and Carbon emacs, > did significant job in saving emacs from oblivion. I disagree. That's something only a Mac-centric person could say. The cross-platform upstream code foldback has been minimal. > There are a lot needs to be done, especially on the Windows platform > because it is used by most people. Platform-specific additions are a dead end since they tend to be single-person efforts that die out once the person can't be interested anymore. -- David Kastrup