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From: Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 10:09:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86woiw6qmk.fsf@zoho.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20190512075448.GA11650@tuxteam.de

tomas wrote:

> Different languages exist for a reason, and
> carry with them a whole set of different
> cultures, so they'll tend to express
> a problem in subtly different way (leading to
> subtly differing semantics). How do you
> account for the fact that some problem
> expressed in C won't do array bounds
> checking, while in Java it will do them
> dynamically all the time (costing runtime),
> whereas in some smart functional language the
> compiler will do most of that work most of
> the time, due to advanced compiler magic?
> How do you account for the fact that in
> language A the programmer will take 100 times
> longer to master the language, but one-tenth
> of the time to write a program? The fact that
> this compiler will produce runtimes twice as
> fast, but ten times as fat, and take 50 times
> the compile time?

One program will finish execution with
a correct result at time X and another at
time Y and it will not be X = Y. So one
language, with associated tools, is faster!

If one language has a better compiler, a better
programmer, and so on, that's part of the game.

You can't have a better computer, that's all.

> Clock accuracy/precision/resolution will be
> the least of your problems in
> a cross-language benchmark.

How about a zero-gravity chamber then?

-- 
underground experts united
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  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-12  8:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 284+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-05  2:15 Optimising Elisp code Davin Pearson
2018-10-05  2:19 ` Davin Pearson
2018-10-05  9:46   ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 10:58   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-10-05 10:03 ` tomas
2018-10-05 14:28 ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-05 14:42   ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 15:04     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 17:05       ` Óscar Fuentes
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1736.1538759161.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-05 17:23         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 17:46           ` Óscar Fuentes
     [not found]           ` <mailman.1737.1538762057.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-05 18:50             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 19:14               ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 19:17                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 19:26                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 19:40           ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]           ` <mailman.1741.1538768445.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-05 21:55             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 18:04       ` James K. Lowden
2018-10-05 19:02         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-07  2:57     ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-06 10:45   ` Knowing where a function has been used (e.g. for optimizing) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-06 14:40   ` Optimising Elisp code Stefan Monnier
2018-10-06 16:55     ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-06 19:24       ` tomas
2018-10-06 19:55         ` Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-06 20:27           ` tomas
2018-10-06 21:42             ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-07  8:10               ` tomas
2018-10-07 13:56                 ` Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]               ` <mailman.1787.1538899813.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 12:54                 ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]           ` <mailman.1775.1538857674.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 12:52             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-07 13:19               ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.1792.1538918415.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 15:59                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-07 16:30                   ` Optimising Elisp code [again] Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.1805.1538929865.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-08 14:11                     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 14:43                       ` tomas
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.1852.1539009893.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-09  0:38                         ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-09  6:26                           ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-09  8:07                             ` Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.1903.1539072429.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-09 13:28                               ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-09 15:03                                 ` Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.1911.1539097442.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-09 15:26                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-09 19:35                                     ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-10 16:18                                     ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-10 20:53                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2018-10-10 23:54                                       ` Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.1975.1539205047.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-11 18:10                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-12 19:52                                           ` Robert Thorpe
2018-10-07 16:10                 ` Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code] Emanuel Berg
2018-10-07 16:35                   ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-07 19:35                   ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-08 14:18                     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 15:23                       ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-08 20:52                     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-09  0:41                       ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-09  6:35                         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-10 16:24                           ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-10 16:32                             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-11 19:29                               ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-11 20:05                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-12 22:32                                   ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-12 23:03                                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-10-13 20:51                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-14  7:55                                       ` tomas
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.2146.1539503732.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-14 19:10                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-15  8:25                                           ` tomas
     [not found]                                           ` <mailman.2179.1539591977.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-15 19:27                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-16  0:55                                               ` Van L
2018-10-17  0:20                                               ` Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                                               ` <mailman.2284.1539735662.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-17  6:49                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-10 20:50                             ` Óscar Fuentes
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.1806.1538930105.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-08 14:14                     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 15:37                       ` Naming, and Gnus functions length [Was: Re: Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code]] Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.1860.1539013068.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-08 15:43                         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 15:52                           ` Naming, and Gnus functions length [ Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.1863.1539013974.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-08 16:39                             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 20:03                           ` Naming, and Gnus functions length [Was: Re: Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code]] Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.1874.1539029031.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-08 20:44                             ` Why is Elisp slow? (was: Re: Naming, and Gnus functions length [Was: Re: Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code]]) Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 23:53                               ` Why is Elisp slow? Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-09 12:27                                 ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.1893.1539042845.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-09  6:23                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-09  8:05                                   ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-09 15:04                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-02  4:49                                   ` Van L
2019-05-02  7:56                                     ` tomas
2019-05-02 11:06                                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-02 13:18                                         ` tomas
2019-05-02 15:34                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-02 19:13                                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-02 19:45                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 11:55                                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-02 20:00                                               ` tomas
2019-05-04 11:52                                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-02 19:33                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-02 19:49                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-02 20:12                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-02 20:20                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-02 21:40                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-02 23:39                                                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-03  0:44                                                         ` Ergus
2019-05-03  1:06                                                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-03 10:36                                                             ` Ergus
2019-05-03 11:52                                                               ` 조성빈
2019-05-03 12:44                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 12:58                                                                   ` Ergus
2019-05-03 14:00                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 22:57                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-04 13:32                                                                       ` Ergus
2019-05-04 14:03                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-04 22:41                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-04 22:56                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-04 23:19                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-05 15:40                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06  6:53                                                                                 ` tomas
2019-05-06  8:25                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-05  0:12                                                                               ` 조성빈
2019-05-05  3:15                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-05  0:43                                                                           ` Ergus
2019-05-05  3:07                                                                             ` 조성빈
2019-05-05 15:50                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06  7:33                                                                                 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-06  9:03                                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-06 10:51                                                                                     ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-06 12:58                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-06 13:08                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06 16:17                                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-06 17:25                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06 17:45                                                                                         ` 조성빈
2019-05-06 18:08                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06 18:18                                                                                             ` 조성빈
2019-05-06 18:47                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06 20:23                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-06 20:41                                                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-06 21:45                                                                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-06 22:03                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-06 23:07                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-07 10:49                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-07 11:51                                                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-07 12:38                                                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-07 12:56                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-07 13:01                                                                                                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-07 13:04                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-07 13:14                                                                                                           ` Ergus
2019-05-07 13:43                                                                                                             ` 조성빈
2019-05-07 14:22                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-07 14:41                                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-09  9:49                                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-10  3:20                                                                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-10  4:26                                                                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-10  4:35                                                                                                                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-10  8:27                                                                                                                       ` tomas
2019-05-07 13:16                                                                                                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-07 13:40                                                                                                             ` Ergus
2019-05-06 20:51                                                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-07  2:35                                                                                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-10  5:14                                                                                     ` Van L
2019-05-06 13:18                                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-06 13:33                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-06 14:04                                                                                     ` 조성빈
2019-05-10  7:20                                                                                       ` Van L
2019-05-10 14:38                                                                                         ` Lisp, C, and C++ (was: Re: Why is Elisp slow?) Emanuel Berg
2019-05-10 14:49                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-06 23:39                                                                                     ` Why is Elisp slow? Emanuel Berg
2019-05-05  5:25                                                                             ` Paul W. Rankin
2019-05-05 13:19                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-05 13:46                                                                               ` Ergus
2019-05-06  7:01                                                                                 ` tomas
2019-05-05 12:51                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10  3:15                                                                           ` Van L
2019-05-04 14:10                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 12:51                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-03 13:16                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-03 13:32                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-03 14:04                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04  0:32                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-04 11:29                                                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-03  1:45                                                           ` Paul W. Rankin
2019-05-03  7:00                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03  9:58                                                             ` Ergus
2019-05-03 12:41                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 22:18                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-04 13:27                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-04 13:38                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-04  0:33                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-03  7:08                                                           ` tomas
2019-05-10 13:14                                                           ` Van L
2019-05-10 13:22                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-05-10 14:44                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-11  0:38                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-11  1:55                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-11  2:16                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-11  7:32                                                                 ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) tomas
2019-05-11  7:42                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-11  7:57                                                                     ` tomas
2019-05-11 14:30                                                                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 17:01                                                                         ` tomas
2019-05-11 23:09                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12  7:54                                                                         ` tomas
2019-05-12  8:09                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2019-05-12  9:46                                                                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-12 14:21                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 14:45                                                                               ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 15:28                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 15:46                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 17:20                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 18:37                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 18:53                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  1:44                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 21:18                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-12 22:22                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:39                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-14 15:09                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-13  0:57                                                                                           ` Samuel Wales
2019-05-13 12:37                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 14:23                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 14:33                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14  8:24                                                                                                 ` tomas
2019-05-14 13:21                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 14:44                                                                                                     ` tomas
2019-05-15 11:25                                                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 12:05                                                                                                         ` tomas
2019-05-15 23:02                                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-16  6:48                                                                                                             ` tomas
2019-05-16  9:37                                                                                                               ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-16 11:02                                                                                                                 ` tomas
2019-05-23 14:23                                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-24  1:33                                                                                                                     ` Van L
2019-05-16 13:31                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-23 14:28                                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-23 14:54                                                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-23 14:55                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06  5:18                                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-16 14:45                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-25  4:53                                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-13  1:52                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13  1:35                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 21:01                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13  1:27                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 14:38                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 15:00                                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 15:25                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-14 11:54                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 16:21                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-14 17:05                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 18:30                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 11:27                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 14:51                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 23:19                                                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-17  6:41                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 15:02                                                                                       ` John Yates
2019-05-13 15:14                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 22:40                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14  6:27                                                                                       ` Paul W. Rankin
2019-05-14 13:10                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 15:42                                                                                     ` Van L
2019-05-17 15:17                                                                                 ` Ken Goldman
2019-06-04  1:36                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-24  4:28                                                                         ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) Xavier Maillard
2019-06-07 19:08                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-08  0:26                                                                   ` Samuel Wales
2019-06-08  0:30                                                                     ` Samuel Wales
2019-06-08  8:52                                                                     ` tomas
2019-06-08 21:00                                                                       ` Samuel Wales
2019-06-08 21:14                                                                         ` tomas
2019-06-08 21:44                                                                           ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 23:29                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-11  4:10                                                                             ` Xavier Maillard
2019-06-09  6:46                                                                         ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-11 20:23                                                                           ` Samuel Wales
2019-06-08 23:26                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-13  6:10                                                               ` Why is Elisp slow? Van L
2019-05-03  6:55                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03  2:39                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-03  6:51                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-02 19:10                                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-03 23:34                                         ` Samuel Wales
2019-05-04  6:19                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1772.1538855722.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 12:45           ` Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code] Emanuel Berg
     [not found]   ` <mailman.1752.1538822765.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 12:41     ` Knowing where a function has been used (e.g. for optimizing) " Emanuel Berg
2018-10-07 13:46       ` Getting functions usage examples [Was: Re: Knowing where a function has been used (e.g. for optimizing) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code]] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-08  0:07         ` Van L
2018-10-08 15:40           ` Getting functions usage examples [ Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-09  9:33             ` Van L
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1798.1538920786.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 15:38         ` Getting functions usage examples [Was: Re: Knowing where a function has been used (e.g. for optimizing) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code]] Emanuel Berg

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