From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 22:59:23 +0100 Message-ID: <86wobpc4w4.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20191117113054.49837.qmail@mail.muc.de> <87y2wexsv1.fsf@telefonica.net> <20191118175639.08d02820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgmjyn60.fsf@gmx.de> <87imnezyt5.fsf@gmx.de> <481a1f16-d661-0f96-2f45-3d5ec9c1132e@yandex.ru> <749d3c85-ecd0-5d4e-b9fc-6405c2ca2334@yandex.ru> <87d0djng45.fsf@gmx.de> <878so6o9yd.fsf@gmx.de> <10d674cb-c4f1-67c0-9ade-fcbeec119319@yandex.ru> <4ec3c33f-0fec-4322-b4fc-609833ccb20a@default> <20191123214542.4072cedb@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="201381"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 24 23:00:58 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iYzw8-000qC3-JO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:00:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38920 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYzw6-0002ef-TY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:00:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52904) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYzuw-0002d2-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:59:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYzus-0006B6-UF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:59:42 -0500 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:45802 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYzus-0006AY-6Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:59:38 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iYzuk-000omV-II for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 22:59:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:hT2Xt8tEXHOdArr5vPsjjXzZynw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242692 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: >> Only anecdotal evidence is possible, so >> I don't see that as avoidable. > > Other ways to gather evidence are possible. > > But even if anecdotal evidence were all that > was possible, it remains not super useful for > making decisions about which bug reporting, > tracking, and management tools to use. Well, no smoke without fire. And again, more roads, more traffic. So I think it just comes down to if anyone is willing to set up a new system that works transparently and in parallel with the previous. If anyone is there should be no hesitation. Do it today, in a different way! -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal