From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: guided tour suggestions Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:36:44 +0200 Message-ID: <86vebpqhv7.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <87645ai4cl.fsf@phil.mit.edu> <85d4zi6jdo.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874pksef39.fsf@phil.mit.edu> <86tzssy27o.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <60c603510708090015x62334252g321acf9b80a5bf04@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1186645015 23199 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2007 07:36:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Phil Sung" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 09 09:36:53 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IJ2Zg-0007HU-JB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:36:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJ2Zf-0001uO-Pv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:36:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJ2Zc-0001tE-MC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:36:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJ2Zb-0001sW-6z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:36:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJ2Zb-0001sR-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:36:47 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJ2Za-00008z-Ep for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:36:46 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (dslnet.212-29-44.ip210.dokom.de [212.29.44.210] (may be forged)) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24631 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:36:44 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 2144 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2007 07:36:44 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Aug 2007 07:36:44 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 56D698FA2F; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:36:44 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <60c603510708090015x62334252g321acf9b80a5bf04@mail.gmail.com> (Phil Sung's message of "Thu\, 9 Aug 2007 00\:15\:24 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:76247 Archived-At: "Phil Sung" writes: > David Kastrup writes: >>> When I get a chance, I will make some screenshots with the default >>> UI setup, and with more complex formatting/characters. >> >> Very much appreciated. One of the problems with promoting Emacs >> nowadays are users who tried it 10 years ago and were not getting >> along with it. Dispelling their (and their audience's) preconceptions >> is easier with more graphical material. > > Sorry for the delay in replying. > > > Changes: > > * A couple of screenshots retaken under the default UI setup with GTK-- menu > bar, toolbar, scroll bars. > > * Added screenshot of Emacs displaying the splash screen (includes a picture in > the buffer). > > * More fonts of varying shapes, sizes, and colors (see the auctex and info > examples). > > * Removed shell screenshot from the first section. (M-x shell still gets > mentioned later.) You pretty much redid all screenshots! Very nice, this makes it a page that I can point people to without scaring them off. The dimensions of the screen shot make the decorations take away more relative screen space, but it will always be easier for someone to imagine one can take them away rather than that one can add them (and I'd actually keep the follow-mode shot, where screen estate is particularly important, pretty much as you did it). So the cumulative "scare-away" factor taken over all potential users should now be much less in my opinion. Thanks for creating the page in the first place, and for following up on the suggestions. -- David Kastrup