From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release update Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:42:45 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86vdtuipoa.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87ej0rs3ey.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87tz9j6f76.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <863ah3pyey.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hc5jd9j1.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1228755377 12555 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2008 16:56:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:56:17 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 17:57:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L9jQ5-0000Pk-HX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:57:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42388 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L9jOu-0006cS-HO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:56:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L9jCr-0003kb-6E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:43:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L9jCo-0003jZ-7y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:43:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52955 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L9jCo-0003jQ-2m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:43:34 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:45427 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L9jCn-0000v3-N2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:43:33 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L9jCh-0006nF-0V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:43:27 +0000 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:43:27 +0000 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:43:27 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:hoRm/ZPjE4Pu5tkc6C3VmVv3iCg= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:106684 Archived-At: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:55:59 -0500 Adrian Robert wrote: AR> On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Chong Yidong wrote: >> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> >>> - Emacs.app on Mac OS X crashes at random times and the error is not >>> logged and can't be debugged. This needs to be fixed or it's simply >>> not possible to produce a viable environment for real work. >> >> Have you tried running Emacs in a debugger? >> >> Adrian, have you observed these crashes? Do you have any idea what >> causes them? AR> I use Emacs.app heavily on a daily basis on 10.4 and 10.5 for English AR> and Chinese text editing and program editing/compilation and don't get AR> crashes. However I don't use more complex modes like gud, gnus, and AR> image-viewing. (Though I was using ecb for a while.) I don't know AR> what the problem would be but if it is intermittent all I can suggest AR> is building with no optimization, just -g, to get a better stack AR> trace, and running from gdb (cd emacs/src ; gdb ../nextstep/Emacs.app/ AR> Contents/MacOS/Emacs). I ran Emacs.app for a day under the debugger, using Gnus and other tools, and it worked all right without crashes. It may be a difference between my command-line setup and starting it from the MacOS Finder. I'll keep testing and write back if I find anything useful. The part where "the error can't be logged or debugged" is the bigger concern IMO. Adrian, what needs to happen to have the Emacs.app bundle (the one users will open) produce usable core files and log messages? I'll help any way I can. Ted