From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Everyone, please stop making my life more difficult Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:11:04 -0700 Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA Message-ID: <86vbn3nbmf.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <20140912043652.4D6D8380604@snark.thyrsus.com> <83zje56ymd.fsf@gnu.org> <20140912083430.GA32586@thyrsus.com> <87mwa59i1r.fsf@igel.home> <87ioksx5v8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87tx4caaxj.fsf@slice.rozzin.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1414530715 27163 80.91.229.3 (28 Oct 2014 21:11:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:11:55 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 28 22:11:50 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XjE3P-0001qB-NI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:11:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41438 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjE3P-0007Xm-87 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:11:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56910) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjE31-0007OU-Up for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:11:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjE2s-00081H-Q9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:11:23 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:50958) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjE2s-000815-JG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:11:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XjE2r-0001KM-HN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:11:13 +0100 Original-Received: from red.stonehenge.com ([208.79.95.2]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:11:13 +0100 Original-Received: from merlyn by red.stonehenge.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:11:13 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 18 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: red.stonehenge.com x-mayan-date: Long count = 13.0.1.15.16; tzolkin = 4 Cib; haab = 9 Zac User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:rQir26xXXw+2Zp19am+qNhnjB4Q= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175942 Archived-At: >>>>> "Joshua" == Joshua Judson Rosen writes: Joshua> (and even regular files actually may have their ctime updated, Joshua> for reasons that I can't seem to find a way of fitting into Joshua> the VC analogy) ctime is the measure for "should this file be backed up again". If a file is moved to a different place, or given a different name, it *must* be backed up on an incremental backup, or else the data would be missing (or in the wrong place) if all the incrementals are restored. That was the original purpose, and still useful. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig