From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Project out of sources compilation Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:11:53 +0300 Message-ID: <86v84w5r6u.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86r0fm8n3j.fsf@gnu.org> <21199757e8643ad0f4924b442c0371ae24afe84e.camel@yandex.ru> <86jzle8fx5.fsf@gnu.org> <99b6071c01ae83b9cdc418c467a7e95b6940b5c5.camel@yandex.ru> <86bk6p8zqs.fsf@gnu.org> <86ttkh72zk.fsf@gnu.org> <6chbxwpo3lhq5jjgifburel2nnzancwoiaybmqx5b344rwfsdv@b45k3iangbpw> <86jzld701x.fsf@gnu.org> <5jwkse5xf5hslc73yjcnc55akutz5gyhrvqnr7xpuvqvi6qz2n@4zly7ryvfc7j> <867chd6vgp.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3499"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spacibba@aol.com, rms@gnu.org, dmitry@gutov.dev, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 05 07:12:45 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rsbsa-0000ij-RH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 07:12:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rsbrz-0007ra-LH; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 01:12:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rsbrx-0007rC-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 01:12:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rsbrw-0001SR-1V; Fri, 05 Apr 2024 01:12:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Isqs9C+dToCtuSRDoWdTo0RaeK8SfLnhbGZlwVX/vJ8=; b=Unzd9XVCU/vF SUjljXxfbjRFVSrqV6sN27z+AZzNoHD3e072TnjhA3xEUtdzfwpXihBgjJXN758ffEOED0LC9qHZY eVWEh5Nswg5HqZDfriWUTuR1h+85YM62hW6OqnkXxjEC/lXjQ5KyxNTCiQCLb2KQ0J1QSd8gcL4b8 s8iGAd/tj97F4027knw/cQr37uTJr4oFHwMkkGCKyIw+/Z7/Ti5ysGQ8y/539gekbGgsJtTRmn6re r5sLWukek4JaFG2+at+ciANMRHaAVAlN7RvTjinMFOA7iY4MIWGRCRtHFGzJuVPD3LnXS/uRdMgJW sHCNeTAXEepPtF3xjHkjFw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Thu, 04 Apr 2024 23:16:29 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317533 Archived-At: > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > Cc: rms@gnu.org, dmitry@gutov.dev, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 23:16:29 +0300 > > Can we please agree that generating .elc files in the > build dir rather than in tree allows to avoid a number of problems? > Please note that this has nothing to do with `.elc` files being put in > tarballs, because for that to work you could just build "in-tree" as > usual. Putting `.elc` files into build dir (which may be in-tree or > out) and allowing Emacs to take those into account is just > simplification in how things work. As I wrote up-thread, I have no objections for adding this to Emacs, but it is not as trivial as it seems, because Emacs needs more files than just *.elc to run, and some of those other files are in the source tree when Emacs runs uninstalled (example: the images in etc/images). So adding this mode of running Emacs would need some changes to the C startup code, not just to Makefile's. Also, if you edit *.el files in the source directory, the *.eln files produced from the *.el files before the edits will no longer be loaded by Emacs (because they don't match the corresponding *.el files); if we want to fix that as well, we'd need much more serious changes.