Any working twitter client?

Any working twitter client?

[Yuchen Pei]

Hello,

Are there any currently working x/twitter client in emacs?

I have checked https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Twitter but projects
there all seem obsolete / abandoned to me.

Best,
Yuchen

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Re: Any working twitter client?

[Björn Bidar]

Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:

> Are there any currently working x/twitter client in emacs?

No exist but they also would be against Twitter/X TOS.
But in any case we shouldn't have packages that support a platform by a
person such as Musk that support or push fascists topics IMHO.

Re: Any working twitter client?

[Yuchen Pei]

On 9 November 2024 08:33:50 GMT+11:00, "Björn Bidar" <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de> wrote:
>Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:
>
>> Are there any currently working x/twitter client in emacs?
>
>No exist but they also would be against Twitter/X TOS.

Huh? Twitter clients exist on other platforms, such as nitter on the web and squawker on android. There are also libraries using twitter api such as tweepy.

Re: Any working twitter client?

[Björn Bidar]

Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:

> On 9 November 2024 08:33:50 GMT+11:00, "Björn Bidar" <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de> wrote:
>>Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:
>>
>>> Are there any currently working x/twitter client in emacs?
>>
>>No exist but they also would be against Twitter/X TOS.
>
> Huh? Twitter clients exist on other platforms, such as nitter on the web and squawker on android. There are also libraries using twitter api such as tweepy.

These scrape the Twitter website but don't use the API.

The Twitter Developer TOS states in section III subsection A point (c):
> c) You shall not and you shall not attempt to (or allow others to):
> use or access the Licensed Material to create or attempt to create a
> substitute or similar service or product to the X Applications

The developer TOS: https://developer.x.com/en/developer-terms/agreement
Related the Verge article: https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/19/23562947/twitter-third-party-client-tweetbot-twitterific-ban-rules 

While researching the exact point of the TOS that goes against this I
found that Twitter tried to do the opposite before Musk by making the
API so other clients can compete and also to decentralize it:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/15/22779149/twitter-api-version-2-official-decentralized

Re: Any working twitter client?

[Yuchen Pei]

On Sat 2024-11-09 00:48:21 +0200, Björn Bidar wrote:

> Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:

>> On 9 November 2024 08:33:50 GMT+11:00, "Björn Bidar"
>> <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de> wrote:
>>>Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:

>>>> Are there any currently working x/twitter client in emacs?

>>>No exist but they also would be against Twitter/X TOS.

>> Huh? Twitter clients exist on other platforms, such as nitter on the
>> web and squawker on android. There are also libraries using twitter
>> api such as tweepy.

> These scrape the Twitter website but don't use the API.

squawker uses twitter api - i've looked into the code. not sure about
nitter, but from discussions on nitter issues it seems to be using
twitter api too.

> The Twitter Developer TOS states in section III subsection A point (c):
>> c) You shall not and you shall not attempt to (or allow others to):
>> use or access the Licensed Material to create or attempt to create a
>> substitute or similar service or product to the X Applications

if no twitter client is allowed why do they provide api for users to use?

> [... 8 lines elided]

Best,
Yuchen

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Re: Any working twitter client?

[Jude DaShiell]

of the products you mentioned, how many were written by x employees and
are supported by x employees?

-- 
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 Please use in that order."
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Yuchen Pei wrote:

> On Sat 2024-11-09 00:48:21 +0200, Björn Bidar wrote:
>
> > Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:
>
> >> On 9 November 2024 08:33:50 GMT+11:00, "Björn Bidar"
> >> <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de> wrote:
> >>>Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:
>
> >>>> Are there any currently working x/twitter client in emacs?
>
> >>>No exist but they also would be against Twitter/X TOS.
>
> >> Huh? Twitter clients exist on other platforms, such as nitter on the
> >> web and squawker on android. There are also libraries using twitter
> >> api such as tweepy.
>
> > These scrape the Twitter website but don't use the API.
>
> squawker uses twitter api - i've looked into the code. not sure about
> nitter, but from discussions on nitter issues it seems to be using
> twitter api too.
>
> > The Twitter Developer TOS states in section III subsection A point (c):
> >> c) You shall not and you shall not attempt to (or allow others to):
> >> use or access the Licensed Material to create or attempt to create a
> >> substitute or similar service or product to the X Applications
>
> if no twitter client is allowed why do they provide api for users to use?
>
> > [... 8 lines elided]
>
> Best,
> Yuchen
>
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>
>

Re: Any working twitter client?

[Yuchen Pei]

On Fri 2024-11-08 18:00:20 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> of the products you mentioned, how many were written by x employees and
> are supported by x employees?

since when has corporate involvement become a key consideration in
creating a free software client package by the community?

Best,
Yuchen

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Re: Any working twitter client?

[David Masterson]

Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:

> since when has corporate involvement become a key consideration in
> creating a free software client package by the community?

My understanding was that the X API had to validate access to X via an
Application key and that key had to be bought from X and that key's cost
depends upon how many people (ie. usernames) are using it.
-- 
David Masterson

Re: Any working twitter client?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org>
> Cc: Björn Bidar <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>,  help-gnu-emacs
>  <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2024 10:07:04 +1100
> 
> On Fri 2024-11-08 18:00:20 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> 
> > of the products you mentioned, how many were written by x employees and
> > are supported by x employees?
> 
> since when has corporate involvement become a key consideration in
> creating a free software client package by the community?

Would you folks please take this discussion off this list?  Discussing
this is perhaps okay on emacs-tangents@gnu.org, but not here.  This
list is about helping users of Emacs and Emacs Lisp programmers do
whatever they want in Emacs.  Whether it is legal or ethical to have
an X/Twitter client in Emacs is off-topic here.

Thanks in advance.

Re: Any working twitter client?

[Yuchen Pei]

On 9 November 2024 19:00:22 GMT+11:00, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>> From: Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org>
>> Cc: Björn Bidar <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>,  help-gnu-emacs
>>  <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2024 10:07:04 +1100
>> 
>> On Fri 2024-11-08 18:00:20 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> 
>> > of the products you mentioned, how many were written by x employees and
>> > are supported by x employees?
>> 
>> since when has corporate involvement become a key consideration in
>> creating a free software client package by the community?
>
>Would you folks please take this discussion off this list?  Discussing
>this is perhaps okay on emacs-tangents@gnu.org, but not here.  This
>list is about helping users of Emacs and Emacs Lisp programmers do
>whatever they want in Emacs.  Whether it is legal or ethical to have
>an X/Twitter client in Emacs is off-topic here.

I agree. Let's get back to the original question about browsing twitter from emacs. Perhaps I could widen the question a bit, given there have been no answer yet. Are there well known emacs packages that act as clients to a well known service through an api designed in a similar way to the twitter api? From what I understand, that means graphql requests authenticated using oauth.

>
>Thanks in advance.

GraphQL clients (was: Any working twitter client?)

[Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

> I agree. Let's get back to the original question about browsing twitter from
> emacs. Perhaps I could widen the question a bit, given there have been no
> answer yet. Are there well known emacs packages that act as clients to
> a well known service through an api designed in a similar way to the twitter
> api? From what I understand, that means graphql requests authenticated
> using oauth.

Maybe [srht](https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/srht.html)?


        Stefan

Re: Any working twitter client?

[mbork]

On 2024-11-08, at 23:33, Björn Bidar <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de> wrote:

> Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:
>
>> Are there any currently working x/twitter client in emacs?
>
> No exist but they also would be against Twitter/X TOS.
> But in any case we shouldn't have packages that support a platform by a
> person such as Musk that support or push fascists topics IMHO.

I don't follow the current politics too much, but that left me
wondering: what fascist topics does Musk push?  (I find it a bit hard to
believe, to be honest, but as I said, I don't follow politics a lot.)

TIA,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
https://mbork.pl
https://crimsonelevendelightpetrichor.net/

Re: Any working twitter client?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: mbork@mbork.pl
> Cc: Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org>,  help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2024 18:51:13 +0100
> 
> On 2024-11-08, at 23:33, Björn Bidar <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de> wrote:
> 
> > Yuchen Pei <id@ypei.org> writes:
> >
> >> Are there any currently working x/twitter client in emacs?
> >
> > No exist but they also would be against Twitter/X TOS.
> > But in any case we shouldn't have packages that support a platform by a
> > person such as Musk that support or push fascists topics IMHO.
> 
> I don't follow the current politics too much, but that left me
> wondering: what fascist topics does Musk push?  (I find it a bit hard to
> believe, to be honest, but as I said, I don't follow politics a lot.)

Once again: please take these tangents off this list.  You can discuss
this on emacs-tangents@gnu.org, if you wish.