From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Carbon port and multi-tty Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 12:49:38 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86tzhbz5jh.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87r6cf1if3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210096040 12149 80.91.229.12 (6 May 2008 17:47:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:47:20 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 06 19:47:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtRGE-00028S-QT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 19:47:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41242 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JtRFW-0003YF-V2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:46:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JtRFR-0003Wa-Q5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:46:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JtRFO-0003Tv-Fy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:46:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54271 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JtRFO-0003TO-4a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:46:38 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JtRFM-0000ge-7H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:46:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JtRFI-0002lB-To for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 17:46:33 +0000 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 17:46:32 +0000 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 17:46:32 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:aaRVT+toK0vCpUwyF2W0za1ktC8= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96604 Archived-At: On Tue, 06 May 2008 12:55:28 -0400 Chong Yidong wrote: CY> This concerns the recent drama over the Carbon port and multi-tty. CY> As I understand, in the CVS tree the Carbon port is unmaintained, since CY> Yamamoto Mitsuharu has declined to continue supporting Carbon for Emacs CY> 23 and no other developer has offered to take on his role. We can't let CY> the lack of a maintainer for a non-free software platform stall Emacs CY> development indefinitely. Thus, merging multi-tty into the trunk was CY> the correct decision, even if we couldn't---and apparently still CY> can't---find a developer to make it work properly on Carbon. I'm glad CY> that Dan at least tried to work on it, even if he didn't manage to CY> finish the job. If you're disturbed by the remaining problems on CY> Carbon, please try working on a fix instead of complaining. I thought one of the reasons the Carbon port is unmaintained in CVS is that the Emacs.app code, which uses Cocoa, is likely to replace it (at least that was my understanding from the many discussions and the impression I got from Stefan Monnier's message linked below). See: http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?message_id=%3cjwvk5kjijh6.fsf%2dmonnier%2bemacs%40gnu.org%3e http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?group=gmane.emacs.devel&article=91230 If this is incorrect, please let me know. Ted